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Imperialism is a higher stage of capitalism in which the means of production of the country have concentrated into the hands of a few, there's no longer competition in the main private sectors of the economy, and the economy has financialized. Capitalists don't live off the profits of the companies anymore, they live off stock trading and investment funds. The high rate of development of local industry leads capitalist firms to exporting their capital to other countries to expand the markets and the production and to abuse the cheap resources and labor elsewhere. Please explain me how this situation doesn't describe Russia or most NATO countries.
Imperialist war is when a war is fought between countries in the stage of imperialism for imperialist reasons.
Are we going to pretend that imperialism only exists in this specific and convenient definition that you make and did not exist before industrialization and the financialization of economies, or that the Russian entry into this war was for "imperialist" reasons or that Russia is exploiting its new territories (which have always had indigenous Russians as the main population base) in the model (of "expanding markets and abusing cheap resources/labor") you describe, rather than painstakingly taking effort to integrate and develop the regions that Ukraine and the collective west has been shelling for a decade?
There is a clear difference between the imperialist warmongering of the western nations, and this war of defense by Russia, capitalist as it may be- a war to defend their country from being further encircled, threatened, and carved up, and to protect the legitimate human rights of the indigenous Russo-Ukranians. The entire majority of the world can see it, but somehow you- by the looks of your recent comment history, a Spaniard (white west European, whose imperialist heyday it should be noted fell outside of the definitions of imperialism as you describe it) conveniently do not. I'd recommend taking a look at your own biases, because you're clearly Euro-brained and it's not a good look.
They literally sent me Lenin, I'm abiding to Lenin's definition of imperialism on "Imperialism: higher stage of capitalism".
Forgive me for not believing Putin's intent here is humanitarian development of western-liberalism-affected regions with Russian majority.
Yeah, NATO is objectively worse, there's no arguing that
All of that is true. The former Warsaw pact has seen color revolution after color revolution (what a coincidence that similar protests like the Occupy Movement in the US or the 15M in Spain don't produce any results). That doesn't invalidate anything of what I'm saying, it's still warmongering between advanced capitalist states for geopolitical control. Forgive me for not praising Steven fucking Seagal for wanting to give his life for the well-being of Russian oligarchic companies.
Famous defender of human rights capitalist Russia, not at all constantly passing laws against minorities (whether women, queer, or national minorities like central-asians), and on a downwards spiral towards fascism (sadly like the rest of Europe).
Your last paragraph is a tirade calling me basically an eurolib and linking me to the Spanish empire (like, seriously, wtf) for not wanting to defend the modern Russian capitalist regime. Believe it or not, there are people on the left who don't critically support Russia for being 90% Hitler defending itself from the 99% Hitler that NATO is.
I saw Russian bombs fall from the window of my own house
I hope to God that they win so that the collective West gets socked in the face,I couldn't give less of a fuck about if they're imperialist or not
Maybe NATO exists in the background to you people in the heart of the empire,but all we have over here, on the absolute frontier of it, it's warnings that stray drones might fall on us, jets whizzing overhead and the quiet nighttime concert of booms and the brief flashes of explosions that the poor people that just happen to live on the other side of a river have to live with because of the games played by people an ocean away
Russia winning will finally put an end to this atrocity,and I couldn't care less if they're not the USSR
The more this circus goes on,the more people die and the possibility of it coming from the distance to my own house directly increases
Fuck the architects of this atrocity and fuck the puppets that rule our nations who treat us people on the border like acceptable losses
Proof attached
I took this photo one year ago,when the first drone attacks began,with my own phone,from my balcony
(PS:I cropped it so that it shouldn't count for self dox, please tell me if that is enough or I should delete it)
If you don't wanna risk doxxing, I'd delete. You don't need to prove anything, this is a safe space and I believe you
In all honesty I just wanted to post the photo
Not everyday you get a shot like this,even if it was really scary when it happened
I agree that the most realistic scenario ending the war soon is the victory of Russia, and so for the sake of all the people on both sides who suffer from the war it's what I desire right now. A peace negotiation mediated by China would also be desirable but sadly it doesn't seem like Kiev is willing to do that.
Alright,but why not offer critical support to Russia then? As much as I should hate them,I find myself hating the nations that caused this instead. I don't like Putin,I don't like the Russian Orthodox church,I don't like the Russian Federation as it currently is,but they would be a great improvement over literal Nazi rule by Ukraine.
If I had to pick over reactionary capitalism that is somewhat opposed to Western capitalism and literal Nazi battalion backed NATO puppet regimes,I will always pick the first option, regardless of how much I disagree with them.
Offering critical support is one thing, saying that "volunteering to the Russian army is based" is quite a bit beyond that imo
I wasn't exactly addressing that, because I don't really have a position on it
If someone wants to throw their life away in this conflict,at least it would be for the less bad side
My concern was mostly with how you said that Russia is 90% Hitler to NATO's 99%
Using this abstract measurement,I would say that that is the case only internally
On foreign policy they're not even comparable to the evil that NATO unleashes on a daily basis
Eastern Europe has a history with Russian Imperialism, and many wounds still remain open from the time of Tzarist Russia,that couldn't be mended by the Warsaw Pact, and being pro Russia will never be a popular opinion here,but personally,I can say that even if Russia would want to create a new sphere of influence around the area,it would be a more palatable alternative to NATO
I'm not a Z poster by any stretch of the word,but I can see the writing on the wall
Either we remain under the US yoke and we march to our doom,or we trade it for a Russian one and maybe maintain some level of agency. This is how it's always been in this part of the world,see sawing between empires,and with one waxing,it would be a smarter thing to start gravitating towards the closer one that isn't exactly all that powerful but represents the only conceivable opposition in the area
Volunteering to support a nation resisting imperialism, and fighting to defend a nation from literal Nazis (not neo-Nazis even, OG Nazis) being armed and used by the greater worldwide imperialist system of NATO and the collective west so as to further their hegemony is "not based?"
Literally as based as you could possibly get from Steven Segal
because NATO won't let them! They've even said it!
Didn't know we had Ukrainian comrades here. Sorry for what my country has imposed on your people. Hope this war and the terror it brings comes to an end soon. Stay safe comrade o7
I'm Romanian,but thanks,lol
Whoops, explains the username lol my b