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Struggle session: people here need to stop calling for "unlimited genocide on the first world" (hexbear.net)

submitted 1 month ago by Thallo@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

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I shouldn't have to say this on a """communist""" forum, but here we are. Calling for unlimited genocide on the first world (lmao point out the "first world" on a map, I'll wait) is obviously reactionary on top of being idealist.

The idea that anything can be "unlimited" is pure capitalist decadence based on its foundational need for unlimited growth.

Any real socialist should be calling for a genocide that has its resources planned and allocated by a People's Genocide Committee and is then executed over five years. The genocide would be limited in both resource and geography, and thus, be a materialist genocide.

Or, even better, they might consider a means-tested genocide.

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[-] REgon@hexbear.net 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Unironically it is a cringe joke. People on this site saw a funny comic took-restraint joking about some leftists unhinged online rhetoric and decided to replicate it ad nauseam for some reason. Get better material (like this post you made which is funny)

edit: This comment explains much better than I why I find it wack

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

The comment you linked to calls it relatable, explains why it's not wack, and why jokes like this are inevitable, though

Also, a politics of violent revolution makes flippant humor inevitable

This comment explains why I find it not wack... no, people are not literally calling for it, yes, it is an inside joke, and also no, the west is not being "cruelly oppressed" or whatever by hearing people say it (rather the opposite, I think western reactions to it expose their own persecution complex which is a response to some level of denial/dissociation from societal guilt)

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah and I relate to why people do it. The comment also explains with nicer words than those I possess that it is unhinged language or whatever you want to call it.

no, people are not literally calling for it, yes, it is an inside joke, and also no, the west is not being "cruelly oppressed" or whatever by hearing people say it

I have not said any of those things.

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Fair, and sorry for assuming, then. I think you get where I'm coming from with it- yes, it's a lame joke (and I don't think I've ever even said it myself) but the people who cry about it are infinitely more annoying and (actually, unlike those making the joke) genuinely ignorant IMO

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

but the people who cry about it are infinitely more annoying and (actually, unlike those making the joke) genuinely ignorant IMO

It depends on the person doing the crying and why for me, but most often I agree with you because it's some dumbass lemmitor going on about civility. I do remember we had users unironically arguing that 6 million germans should have been murdered in retaliation for the holocaust and it would have been good if Frankfurts water supply had been poisoned by that zionist in the 50's. I've seen people say they want an unironic white genocide or that they actually unironically think all [nationality] people should be killed. Not as in "abolish the concept of" no just killed.
I think part of the reason those users don't stop and think "whoa I think genocide is good" was because of how widespread took-restraint "rhetoric"/jokes were at one point. It's around the time when I see unironic calls for genocide that I cry about it. Normally I just shrug my shoulders and move on because I find the joke to be tired and the user is speaking in jest.

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

True, can't claim I've seen those posts (haven't been on Hexbear that long either, came from the grad) but I suppose they exist. And it is a good point that people with not enough self-awareness (or who just have had enough at a moment) will take those jokes and maybe run with it- not that they can or will do anything with it unlike the reverse, but it is an issue.

I know of that Zionist you're talking about and- well, yeah, it was unjustified as such wholly indiscriminate attacks always are. In their specific case and that of anyone who'd have survived what they did I can't quite blame them for feeling or even acting that way (though they had to be stopped). Feeling the sheer amount of anger and even hate is a natural human response when seeing the west behaving like the west always has, even without experiences comparable to theirs (granted theirs were very extreme) I find myself feeling such things and often consciously reel myself back sometimes and control my words well (and try and generally succeed, minus bitterness, with my thoughts), and certainly don't let it affect how I treat or see individuals.

[-] REgon@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

True, can't claim I've seen those posts (haven't been on Hexbear that long either, came from the grad) but I suppose they exist

Yeah I've been on here way too much for way too long. It's been a while since I've seen it too. People seem to have cooled off a bit after federation.

I know of that Zionist you're talking about and- well, yeah, it was unjustified as such wholly indiscriminate attacks always are. In their specific case and that of anyone who'd have survived what they did I can't quite blame them for feeling or even acting that way (though they had to be stopped). Feeling the sheer amount of anger and even hate is a natural human response when seeing the west behaving like the west always has, even without experiences comparable to theirs (granted theirs were very extreme) I find myself feeling such things and often consciously reel myself back sometimes and control my words well (and try and generally succeed, minus bitterness, with my thoughts), and certainly don't let it affect how I treat or see individuals.

I completely relate and agree. People were calling for it now though, which was wack. They were also arguing that it would have been right to do, not as in understandable or even justified, but as the morally correct thing to do. It's been a long while though. I still see some people do these things unironically once in a blue moon, but the site culture has thankfully changed to one that calls it out instead of cheers it on - most of the time.