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I'm in the USA, so all of my answers would be colored by my culture. My knowledge of the culture in China is limited.
If I had to make a guess I'd say it may be a recognition of the collectivist view of society in China. As in "I am wronged by society, so any member of society is a valid target for my anger/revenge."
For someone that becomes an attacker, it is likely the result of many events, not one. How many times have they tried to move to a Tier 1 city and been rejected? How many times have they been passed over for better education or job opportunities? When they raise their objections how many times are they met by others with "没精打采｡" ("nothing can be done about it")?
As someone living in Chinese culture, you're probably better equipped to answer this than most of us. I appreciate you sharing your question and your answers as you have here. I'm interested in understanding this from your perspective.
To my knowledge, the reasons that lead them to commit these acts are mostly: poverty to the point of being unable to live, bankruptcy due to failed investments, divorce, and other family upheavals. In official announcements of such events in China, the motives and details of the incidents are not mentioned. For example, an indiscriminate attack on students and parents outside a school would be described in official announcements as if it were a simple traffic accident.
Due to China's severe censorship of negative news, official media outlets do not report on these stories, and self-media posts about similar news are either restricted or deleted, so pictures and videos are extremely rare. Therefore, except for those who have been long-term internet users, most people have little understanding of the severity of these incidents.
Generally, only locals are more aware of the details of the events. They share this information, including on-site photos and videos, in chat groups with friends and family on messaging apps (content in group chats is usually not censored). And due to the nature of Chinese society, there are always some locals who have connections with the perpetrator's family and know and share relatively private information about their situation. But as I said at the beginning, the vast majority of their motives are related to property, love, and family issues. And I can be certain that the victims have no relation to them.
I can only provide the above information. In Chinese culture, people also resent and reject those who expand their own misfortunes to affect innocent people. My view is that a victim only represents himself and his family, not any particular group. The victims include school children, parents, farmers, and people working hard to support their families. They are just ordinary members of society who have to suffer this undeserved disaster. The idea that one's own suffering should implicate more people to suffer, or that if one doesn't want to live, they should drag others to die with them - I find this thinking painful, and at the same time, I really don't understand the deeper reasons and logic behind such behavior.
I wouldn't rush to blame "collectivist society" for random acts of violence when America exists.
You might want to read my post again if thats what you came away with. If you're still having difficulty, let me know, I'm willing to type out the long explanation of what I am seeing is pretty clear right now.
hm, i agree with that poster; surely there's an explanation for random attacks on civilians that covers both china and the US?
That's not the question that OP asked, nor the one I answered.
It's cute that you think your thought was deeper than that.
Oh honey. Not deeper, in fact my comment was very plain. Instead you're showing you lack basic reading comprehension skills preventing you from parsing a conversation and I was trying to spare your feelings. It doesn't sound like you're interested in having your feelings spared.
Here it is because it looks like you can't follow a basic conversation:
The OP asks: Why do these individuals target innocent people? [instead of the specific person that did them wrong]?
I communicated the idea: "If you live in a collectivist society there isn't 'one person', but instead society itself that decides what you get and what you don't. So if there isn't one person the attacker can blame, then any person in society becomes someone the attacker can blame, so the attacker attacks otherwise innocent people because they represent society to the attacker"
Spare me from unaware bigots splashing in their piss puddle and thinking it's a pool.
You make a very convincing argument you are a troll bot.
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