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[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Horror is subjective.

I couldn't get into this one personally, because there are all sorts of inventions and ways we could do that would explore the holes without ya know... jumping into them?

Like, I dunno, throw a cell phone camera in there and see where it goes?


I guess the "horror" was the mass hysteria that caused people to mentally link themselves to a hole and think they had to jump in. But psychology doesn't work like that, as far as I'm aware (and there's some psychological horrors in the real world, like schizophrenia, that do scare the bejezus out of me).

But yeah, I realize everyone else thinks its a masterpiece. But... I just couldn't take it seriously. But give it a try, maybe it works for ya!

[-] Reygle@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago

But the scariest part of this story isn't the holes, it's the irresistible urge to go in..

[-] noqturn@lemm.ee 20 points 1 year ago

Yea, it’s the fact that it seems impossible to resist. Yes, there are better ways than described to check out the holes, but it doesn’t ruin the story for me. I get those impulsive thoughts to jump off of cliffs or drive off roads so this story is the fear of following those thoughts.

[-] demlet@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's a very sad story actually, which I don't think gets discussed much. All the characters who go in seem accutely isolated and lonely. That feeling of isolation from the world, if you've ever felt it, well, the story resonates. The characters literally only fit in to their own little place, completely separated from the rest of the world. There's no room for anyone or anything else. But what comes out of living like that in the end? Well, it's not pretty.

It's an examination of modern life and hyper-individualism.

[-] doomer@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

The surreal aspects beg you to drop your hyper-criticism and to look for deeper imagery. I love it. And he can do it in such a short form, while also managing to singularly capture the psychological horror as well as anyone.

Imagine present day Stephen King telling stories through a one-shot manga. The action wouldn't even be started before he ran out of paper! Of course, King has his own masterful way of conveying horror and it works very well, too.

[-] mosiacmango@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Those impulses are so common the French have a lyrical term for it:

The call of the void.

[-] seitanic@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's the first thing I thought of, too. It's called l'appel du vide ("call of the void" in French).

[-] DrQuint@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

I love that Junji Ito has a bunch of stories that are metaphors for stuff like this. This one. Snail Girl being the same allegory as Metamorphosis. The tall actress being about the anxiety you feel when you know a coworker might ruin the business but everyone else seems to not care. The woman in the window and the window creeping closer is one of the ones most on the nose.

But then he also has the hot spring to hell which is literally "stupid man experiences stupid horror". He just felt like making cheap horror that month, lol.

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

They... they don't jump in though. They press themselves into their hole slowly, and continue to press themselves deeper in, so slowly that they are physically pressed and molded into something monstrous.

Like... yeah, mass hysteria doesn't work exactly like that, but it's fiction? It in no way resembles something that could take place in real life. The fear comes from putting yourself into the headspace of everyone around you seeming to lose control of themselves, and then the same thing happening to you, but you don't seem to care, you just slowly begin to yearn desperately for the tight pressure of the hole that fits you perfectly.

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago

I think this one rings true to a lot of people who struggle with intrusive thoughts. It’s not about logic, it’s about that weird urge to do the worst possible thing. You get the urge to climb in because it’s scary. So scary you can’t focus on anything else. But maybe if you just did it, at least you could stop worrying about it.

[-] dragontamer@lemmy.world -3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

If people's minds were so weak to give into intrusive thoughts, I'd have committed suicide maybe a year or two into my intrusive thoughts.

As I said before: what happens in this comic is unrealistic. People who struggle with undiagnosed depression can (and do), survive for years despite thinking about killing themselves every day, every hour, for years.

I know. I went through this. You don't just "give up" randomly (and emperically speaking: people at this stage don't often commit suicide IIRC), though the feeling does wear you down and make you anxious over time. There's "stages" of depression and suicide, and if its just intrusive thoughts that are messing with you every waking hour of the day, you're not quite at the depths of suicide quite yet. (Yes, it gets worse than just thoughts. Although you probably should seek help if you are at this stage).

As I've said in the other comment: real life is far worse than what's presented here. Those who HAVE gone through this can't relate to it, because the people who jump into the holes were so far less weak-willed than any real world person.

There are "stages" after intrusive and chronic long-term thoughts... when your brain starts to actively plan to do something harmful. An entire tier of thoughts and planning that goes far deeper than the horrors that was in the holes story.


The horrors of living with suicidal depression for months, years, is knowing what lies on the other side of the hole, but deciding to jump in anyway. Real world is far worse than what happens in the hole story. I know I'm going to die if I give into the thoughts. Its not some mystery or drive to explore or something that's causing my brain to think those thoughts. (And honestly, if it were "just" a feeling to explore or figure out the mystery, it's far less horrific).

[-] atomicorange@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I totally agree, intrusive thoughts aren’t often acted upon.

I think the story is trying to capture what it feels like to have intrusive thoughts, how horrifying they can be, and is maybe a way for the artist to work through the idea of “what if those thoughts became so bad - through some supernatural mechanism - that we all succumbed to them?” It’s not meant to be realistic, but just to capture and communicate that feeling of dread combined with compulsion.

It’s kind of similar to Lovecraft’s way of telling stories. He tells you about horrifying and incomprehensible actions taken by regular people and gives some hints about their motivation. But he can’t really convey the full experience of cosmic horror so he leaves you to fill in the blanks. Some people are really affected by it, and for some it’s just too vague and speculative.

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