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Trump signals support in call with Netanyahu: ‘Do what you have to do’
(www.washingtonpost.com)
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Sorry not sorry, but the left got played like a fiddle by not understanding the more immediate existential threat to their survival, and now I'm afraid we'll all suffer for it. Bibi put Biden in what he knew was an unwinnable situation where he had to choose between appealing to 3% of Michigan voters (Arab-Americans) and appealing to 3% of Pennsylvania voters (Jewish Americans), and now the left flank is turning toward Trump over it and he might win both states:
Heaven help us all.
But I was assured that minority demographics would never vote against their own interests, no matter how hard the single-issue drum was beaten???
Don't worry - the Terminally Online Leftists will change their tune from "It won't change the election" to "If Palestine gets genocided by Israel, it's only fair minorities in the US are genocided too".
If you head on over to Hexbear they have at least one person who will happily tell you any amount of collateral damage to minority groups is acceptable as long as Donald executes white liberals en masse. Is that close enough?
I'm honestly surprised I haven't heard that yet.
It's not too late for Harris to come out with a strong message of change in foreign policy towards Israel, if elected. All she has to do is promise that she'll make sure international and US law is respected, and to contrast that with what Trump has told Bibi.
Yep, and risk losing Pennsylvania which is a statistical tie. Brilliant tactical move.
Breaking from Biden and supporting an Arms Embargo or Conditional Military Aid would be a major boost in voter output. Especially in swing states, including Pennsylvania, by a ratio of 7:1. Her lack of change from Biden is much more risky move in terms of losing Pennsylvania.
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Yeah I've seen those stats before. I can point to data and testimony, too:
https://www.wesa.fm/politics-government/2024-10-23/pennsylvania-jewish-voters-trump-israel-democrats
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/22/politics/jewish-voters-pennsylvania-election/index.html
https://www.aa.com.tr/en/americas/us-election-how-jewish-voters-could-decide-key-swing-state-of-pennsylvania/3369969
https://www.jta.org/2024/10/21/politics/in-philadelphias-suburbs-jewish-canvassers-target-jewish-voters
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/07/us/politics/jewish-voters.html
https://www.jpost.com/american-politics/article-825876
I'll note that none of your surveys asked voters how importantly they rate current levels antisemitism, or whether or not they'd vote for one candidate over another if Iran launched a military attack on Israel after we withdrew aid. Overall the questions in those surveys (I've read them) are perfect examples of framing choices in a systematic way to arrive at answers you want to hear. Are they wrong? Not necessarily? But do they capture the whole picture? Hardly.
And furthermore, the fact that the "uncommitted" folks (plus Jews and Arabs in both swing states) are stumping for Trump rather than just opting out completely proves that their primary concern is absolutely not the Palestinian people. When you turn away from the person calling for a ceasefire and toward Chief Muslim Ban when he tells Bibi, "Do what you have to do" for the "waterfront property", you've proven your responses to those survey questions are carefully crafted, self-delusional poppycock.
And in any case, they're about to enjoy the fruits of their labor. They might survive the Project 2025 purge, and their relatives might survive the turning of the sands of Gaza to glass (and then condominiums and casinos), but I doubt it. Y'all want Trump? You're about to get him. Stay vigilant when they come for you.
Antisemitism is on the rise which is exactly why it's important not to conflate Judaism with Zionism. That conflation stokes genuine Antisemitism which of course is completely unacceptable.
Conditional Military Aid is to ensure the weapons are not used for violations of international humanitarian law, such as genocide. It does not bar defensive weaponry that can defend from missle strikes. Israel's escalations of genocide in Gaza, now extending the same tactics used to Lebanon, is directly increasing the likelihood of even more escalations. All of which put Israeli civilians at risk. Conditional Aid in order to force Israel to de-escalate, would make military strikes from Iran far less likely.
So shifting from Biden and supporting conditional military aid in order to pressure Israel to end the genocide and take a genuine permanent ceasefire seriously, would both help Harris' chances of winning the election and improve the safety of Israelis in Israel.
Despite Trump's horrendous track record, such as literally Hitlarian rhetoric, his support of actual Nazis, and his own antisemitic remarks, why is he gaining in support instead of Harris in respect to Gaza? It's entirely because of Harris' Campaign that has not deviated from Biden. People, especially people directly affected such having loved ones killed during this genocide, want a change. However Harris has not indicated any chance from the current Biden Administration on this issue. Trump successfully framed himself as a Dove and Hillary as a warmonger in 2016. He's using that same tactic now. It would be a completely unsuccessful framing if Harris pivoted to Arms Embargo or Conditional Aid, but that has not happened.
I consider the blame to be entirely on the Democratic Administration and Harris' Campaign Strategy. They have had every opportunity to change course, and them deciding not to may very well cost them the election. I will not blame anti-genocide voters, especially those who are directly affected and have lost loved ones. That said, I'm still voting for Harris, on the basis that change from public pressure is far more unlikely under Trump, and think everyone else should too.
It absolutely would be a brilliant tactical move to take a stance against Netanyahu in a serious manner. There are a lot of liberal voters who won't participate in this election because they feel unrepresented.
Are these liberal voters correct to sit out the election? No they're fucking idiots... but tempting them to vote would bring a lot more people to the voting booth than trying to capture more moderates.
Yep, and scare away Jews that are already drifting from the Dems because of antisemitism. Totes, good call.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/14/jewish-voters-pennsylvania-harris-trump-election-2024/
Anti-zionism is not antisemitism.
Don't tell me. Tell the Jews who were interviewed for those articles.
No it wouldn't.
Are you sure that the Jews there who support the continuation of the war aren't already voting Trump? Cause if they are she might not lose it.
In all likelihood you're probably right, but it all depends what the voting intentions are in and what proportion of the voters they comprise in each state.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/22/politics/jewish-voters-pennsylvania-election/index.html
https://apnews.com/article/jewish-voters-pennsylvania-2024-elections-trump-harris-09297d8c0843ae2b1698c9d2dfb80fd9
https://www.jewishexponent.com/in-pennsylvania-the-jewish-vote-matters/
They are already wavering because of antisemitism. Kiss them all goodbye if we turn on Israel and potentially trigger more strikes by Iran.
Okay so they get to pressure Kamala with their votes but the Pro-Palestenian people can't? Pretty hypocritical.
They can and do. And the others can and do. But now she either loses Pennsylvania or Michigan by pissing one of them off. Michigan has 15 electoral votes, and Pennsylvania 19.
Do the math.
Who do you think there are more of? Which group do you think has a stronger lobbying presence? I mean, seriously, do any of you actually understand how politics works in my country?
So the smaller group has to capitulate to the larger group every time? You think that's how political power works? That's not how the smaller group gets political power. It's through using the leverage hrye have to force compromise from the larger group if they want to win. The same thing smaller parties do in coalition systems.