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Don't assume that the majority of people who vote for Trump, are MAGA.
Many, if not most, are the same as many Biden/Harris voters in that they hate both candidates, and are voting for who they view as the lesser of two evils.
As I'm a Lemmy user, you can safely assume I'm not one of them, but the point stands.
But, if you're talking about people who have gone full on MAGA insanity, well they probably got there somewhere between 2016 and 2020, so there's not a a ton of new converts to deal with.
And even with then, they're the minority of a minority.
Of course, if someone is of the opinion that anyone who votes for Trump, no matter the reason, must be excised from their life, well that's their choice, but I kind of pity them.
Trump is not Hitler. He's too lazy and stupid to be Hitler. Let's not pretend that voting for Trump is the same as supporting Hitler, it's not.
He's a piece of shit authoritarian, but on the scale of American Presidents, the areas where he deviates the most from the norm, is how stupid and crass his corruption and racism is, not that he was corrupt and racist.
No sane person can listen to a second of Trump and call him less evil than anyone. Anyone who votes for him is voting for a fascist state, and you're not fooling anyone by pretending you're not.
You're the type of liberal who actually believes Dubya is a good man, or a better president than Trump.
Nevermind that he killed over a million people in Iraq.
Trump is a malignant tumor, no doubt.
But so are people who campaign alongside Dick Cheney.
Good man? No. Better than Trump? Yes. That is not a high bar. As far as I am aware, Dubya didn't cheat on his wife with a pornstar, then embezzle money to silence so he could win an election, all the while talking about taking advantage of his fame so he can molest women.
Well it's good to see that a million dead Iraqis is definitely not worse than fucking pornstars and embezzlement...
That's dark dude, like holy shit your sense of morality and justice is so bent that I'm blown away.
Trump has not been in a situation where he can declare war on Iraq. He has been in a situation where he can threaten to pull support from Ukraine if they don't help him rig an election, and has said Biden is too hard on Israel. So they're the same on morals in that regard, if not opportunities.
But both of them have been in elections. So with the same baseline situation, Trump is worse.
You're comparing tangibles to intangibles, hypotheticals, and combining it with a very confused sense of morality.
The fact that you can't see past Trump to understand that actually killing one million human beings is worse then anything he did, is depressing.
Do you not understand that Trump can be a malignant tumor and dangerous all on his own, without having to pretend that anything he did even remotely compares to directly killing 1 million innocent people?
Or maybe you don't care because they're Arab? I know you'll balk at that, throw out all the right signifiers, and maybe even throw a "how dare you" my way, but I'm not left with many other options to understand to your rational.
Yes, Trump hasn't killed a million people. Trump was not the president in the days after 9/11, where the majority of americans supported a war on Iraq. Trump did not have the same opportunity to kill a million people that Bush did.
However, we can see Trump's opinions on Palestine. We can see Trump's opinions on Ukraine. We can see just as much malicious support of genocide as Bush had, if not more. The only difference is the opportunity to act on it.
So I won't use the Iraq war as a marker of morality. That's not a fair comparison.
I will instead judge them based on a situation that both of them had, where only one of them took it. Bush had the opportunity to cheat on his wife and embezzle campaign funds to hide it. Bush had the opportunity to hide government secrets in his private residence. Bush did not do these things.
Please note that being better than Trump is such a fucking low bar, it's astonishing you think that means I'm saying Bush isn't a piece of shit. Less repugnant than Trump is still fucking repugnant.
That's a lot of words to basically justify why the extermination of one million people isn't that bad relative to myriad of shitfuckery Trump did.
Oh, and Incase you forgot, Bush did actually succeed at stealing an election. So...there's that.
1 stolen election + 1 million dead arabs < Stormy Daniels and a failed attempt at stealing an election.
Your politics and sense of humanity have to be so so broken and destroyed by social media consumption to even entertain that idea, but you're full on tripling down on it.
Damn. I hope you touch grass and see the light someday.
Please actually read someone's comment before summarising it. You'll do a better job if you do that.
Bush has done a terrible deed that Trump did not have the opportunity to do. Trump has done multiple terrible deeds that Bush DID have the opportunity to do.
Saying Trump is better than Bush is like saying I'm a better friend to you than that burly sailor. Sure, I didn't sleep with your mother, but we know damn well that I would have if I had the chance.
In other words, you've nullified the murder of 1 million innocent people by Bush, in order to rationalize why Trump is worse.
But please, write another five paragraphs justifying why those deaths shouldn't count here. I'm sure eventually you'll figure out the right semantic argument that almost passes muster for someone of slightly below average intelligence.
I'd actually respect you more if you just said that you care about the danger Trump poses to American democracy more than a million dead Arabs. At least you'd finally be open and honest about the political and moral views you clearly hold.
Voting for Trump (or for any Republican candidate for elected office) is voting for one-party autocracy. Even if the individual is ethical, they will be pressured into serving the party (or removed for a more loyalist alternative). Not voting for a Democrat when there's a Republican candidate is not voting against one party autocracy.
Trump is not Hitler. He's the Secret Hitler of this election. Even if he's less bright than Hitler and less charismatic than Hitler, he's fulfilling the same role, and the outcome will be the same, a one-party autocracy propped up by fascist enemy-within rhetoric and a massive deportation effort that will ultimately turn into a massive evacuation effort. (That is, evacuation into mass graves, or even an ash pit).
We are on the precipice. Do not fuck around. Do not think otherwise. Do not let anyone else think otherwise. If Trump wins, the world is going to hold America's beer while it works to enact a holocaust that dwarfs the Holocaust... unless the resistance is really good (it's probably not) or the Allies overrun Washington (not in time).