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Insane it was ever made illegal.
Eh, keeping car traffic smooth is way more challenging than keeping pedestrian traffic smooth. Also people tend to be more chaotic in there direction than cars. If a car stops in front of you you’re sorta stuck if a human stops in front of you you can always bash him in the head with a bar stool or go around or whatever.
I know it was auto manufacturers lobbying for the law but can you imagine people just randomly darting across an interstate moving at 80+ mph? I can because I have seen it before and not once have I thought wow I sure am glad that’s legal.
I think you might have picked a bad community to share your sympathies for smooth car traffic, I’m afraid.
For what it’s worth, I think it’s reasonable enough to forbid pedestrians from crossing high-speed (60+ mph) roads, but otherwise they should have full right of way over any road, and fuck the cars. They can just be patient and deal with it.
But what if those roads didn't have to exist at all. We could replace those with dedicated high speed rail corridors.
Which, presumably, you’d also restrict people from walking on :P
Those take up much less space, and can be built around.
Maybe, but the alternative is unrealistic and simply not the reality we Live in.(at least in the United States)
That’s how every progressive movement starts, until activists make them reality. If it’s a good idea, it’s a good idea - and if that’s not the way that things are done, the question stops being “is this a good idea”, and starts being “how can we implement this good idea”.
Can you imagine a car going 80+ mph in city traffic? I can't
I can. I just don't expect it to reach its destination without crashing.
I still can primarily because I live in Texas, it is not at all uncommon, not even on the interstate, though 40mph work zone going into school zones it happens regularly.
The entire concept of a car is a scam from manufacturing to driving it. Source: Former car mechanic who has hated cars since before it was cool.
What, wait, no. I've lived in very rural areas, wtf was I supposed to do without a car? Bike back and forth a few hours for groceries?
There will always be edge cases. The trick is that your scenario ought to be an edge case rather than the most common case.
Some one is free to search actual numbers but in the US something like
For sure different transit or walking options are better for different scenarios but most people, including in the US, are in places where buses or trains can be useful
Don't live in rural areas. Those should be wildlife habitats, tbh.
So people should only live in dense, crowded cities? Because even in the suburbs it's not possible to grocery shop without a car.
Suburbs can ultimately be redesigned (and I'd argue they should, for a number of reasons)
Yeah but until then a man's gotta eat lol and I don't see them putting grocery stores every 2 miles any time soon.
Given most grocery stores compete more than anything on location, that does surprise me, but you're not wrong.
I will never be sad when car brains like you learn the hard way that cars are nothing but weapons. This is exactly why cars should be completely illegal, full stop.
Ok, Let’s assume you are perfectly correct in every way, Now according to your hypothesis Cars have no purpose other than being a weapon, now since cars exist at least for the moment, it is probably for the best to make it illegal to dash across shooting ranges.
You see, here's the problem. It's not actually a shooting range. Streets weren't made for cars, but for people. Before cars you'd see humans, carriages, horses, etc. all coexisting within the same space.
Eh, I would say pedestrians in that case should be entitled to self-defence.
You think in a legally licensed clearly posted shooting rang someone darting through the range illegally should be allowed to retaliate?
Yes, because it would hopefully discourage car brains like yourself from wasting space in cities.