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Teary-eyed John Oliver begs reluctant voters to back Harris
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I'm glad you're willing to throw that all away, but you're also throwing it away for my family, too... So thanks, I guess...?
And for what? To get Trump elected? You do understand mathematically you're supporting Trump's chances, correct?
Let's also not forget that if Harris is complicit in genocide in Gaza, then you're not voting for Harris means you condone and are complicit on Russia's genocide in Ukraine.
Edit: Bernie Sanders says the choice is clear; to vote for Harris despite Gaza.
man you really like tokens. bernie doesn't speak for everyone. hes a great man, and hes 100% correct harris is a better option. but hes not a blungeon you can use to beat people with. she won't get votes from individuals like myself until she commits to stopping a genocide. if she loses thats her fault.
she has known what she has needed to do for at least 6 months. every single one of you absolutely know what she needs to commit to publicly to secure those votes.
you're just unwilling to do it. either because you support what israel is doing or your too panic stricken to pressure harris to do the right thing because you don't know how many voters are for what israel is doing; but you know exactly who you can target if she stays the course and loses. you're disgusting and craven individuals.
i live in a solidly blue state and i'm voting third party. i could never help trump even if i wanted to because of the same electoral college that's helping him win; i'm using the system against itself, as you should do every chance you get.
my ancestors where genocided out of existence in this country so i'm 100% sure that they would agree with me that being party to the same system & people that have a history of repeatedly using genocide as acceptable political collateral damage is a bad idea and anything good that comes from it is an accident.
I hear this a lot but:
I'd argue that driving up the support for Harris in the popular vote is critical. If Trump wins Electorally, it's still rhetorically important to stifle the notion of a mandate by not letting him get 50%.
Blue states have fallen in the past or can shift purple if the line isn't held.
That said, I'm glad you're not in a swing state at least.
Reminder that it was Biden who just recently issued a forceful formal apology to the indigenous people of America. GOP didn't it. Trump mocked it by having a rally on their sacred grounds no less.
it was another public display of the same "shallow understanding" from moderates that MLK jr wrote about; but i think he can be forgiven for it since the native americans in canada and united states seem to have similar understanding.
and the blue states conversion is going to happen at the same rate as democrat's conversion into diet republicans.
Yet for all of MLK's grievances, who ultimately provided the pathway to lawful change in Congress in 1964?
waiting for election to end before taking action to stop a genocide sounds too much like the definition of that timetable MLK jr was referring to and voting for an genocider enabler to help maintain negative peace is something he actively warned against.
moderates have a "shallow understanding" of MLK jr's efforts because americans are indoctrinated against all it of it except for his nonviolence and it's relevance along with my experience is saddening since i'm literally watching history repeat before my eyes as it's enabled by the overwhelming majority who never bothered to reach out past that indoctrination.
All due respect, you didn't answer the question.
Pyrrhic victories are meaningless. In the end, who actually followed through with change?
Obama himself, the first black President, sympathized with you that change never seems to come quickly enough. Partly because people like Trump are so damaging and disruptive to progress. In their absence, we'd be far more free to advance more quickly. Alas, that's just dreaming.
So in the end, it was those liberals in Congress who passed the monumental change. And without question, MLK had more allies among them than he did the Confederate successors in the KKK, obviously.
In the end, some change is better than no change is better than regression through entropy.
there is no objective answer to your question; only responses that align with our world view and in my world view neither biden nor harris represent progress based on my experiences.
MLK jr was successful because of the portrayals of racially motivated violence in the media galvanized the voting public into passing the civil rights acts and our leaders have since taken efforts; spent money; and have repealed several civil rights related acts to ensure that it doesn't happen again; this isn't progress.
If you believe we haven't made progress since Emmett Till and Stonewall, then you're looking at the arc of history through a drinking straw.
that's the last time we made progress and those too come from the same generation of civil rights pushes.
similarly to MLK jr, our leaders have also taken efforts, spend money and legislated away rights to ensure that they never happen again; yes we did progress at those times, but haven't since then.
So legalizing homosexuality (2003) and legalizing same-gender marriage (2015) are not progress? What an odd thing to suggest. I'm guessing a lot of married queer people who aren't imprisoned would disagree.
And if Trump gets to appoint Thomas and Alito's replacements, we never will again.
yes and the vast majority who only have that "shallow understanding" and the people who have worked ensure that they do have sealed our fate.
I'm sure you intended for that to sound more erudite than it actually does.
i'm never that lucky and this is clearly hitting close to home for you as it does for me based on your comments.
i have the benefit of doing this for about 50 years so i have my own ways of coping and i hope you have your own version of touching grass too.
So you're ignorant to what you're doing? Are you just acting like a lost kid or do you not realize trump winning will push the world closer to ww3. Stop bitching, honestly you are contributing to a real threat of the end of the world. Hold harris accountable after we defeat the nazis. The good guys shouldnt fight each other before the main threat is gone. Anyone who continues too isnt really a good person. You can die on your hill all you want, but dont drag others onto it.
what will the good guys win if they fight together for a system that doesn't tolerate dissension and has a centuries long history of genocides as acceptable political collateral damage?
Not being killed emtionlessly. Trump will allow the slaughter of people around the world and not just in the country you care about.
that's literally what's happening right now and the people who could put a stop to it immediately, wont unless we vote for them.
No hun, neither are great choices for that fact. But one of them is saying they'll kill everyone, while the other kinda agrees sometimes while pandering to Isreal for whatever reason the people will never know.
So which do you want. The guy who will kill you and many more, or the ex cop who might do something maybe good.
the ex cop has done a lot bad stuff when it helped her in the past; so i'm not convinced that she will do the right thing for the genocide. it also doesn't help that she's not doing the right thing right now and defends it over and over again.
and the guy that we think wants to kill more has no history of doing so; he only wishes he could do what the ex cop is doing right now.
i think that the worst part it is that she will keeping doing it unless we vote for her and even then only after they're done with that timetable MLK Jr. wrote about.
So youre a plant acting in the benefit of Palestinian while supporting trump.
I need to learn how others tag people because your coment was so full of shit i almost threw up.
you'll know for sure if you can still see my activity after the election; however i recommend blocking instead of tagging since you're in safe space that leftists created for themselves and likely to encounter similar views in the future.
the ability for liberals to continue sticking their heads in the sand is the reason why trump is projected win; but i'm atleast glad that it's a feature in the lemmyverse to help stave off it's enshitification for as long as possible.
Oh sweet summer child, the Fediverse isn't the safe space you think it is. Just because Lemmy's devs are a bunch of tankie morons doesn't mean shit. The moment admins and mods use their power to force their dumb narrative, people find a new instance to call home.
That's why the vast majority of Lemmy users are on general purpose instances. The greater community is anti-Tankie and recognizes places like the ML instances and Hexbear to be the cesspools they are. Even if the ML instances are run by the Lemmy devs, they never became big like the Mastodon flagships because they have toxic admins.
As long as you're out spreading pro-Trump propaganda, people will be here to call you out on it. I'm sure you'd enjoy a block so we can turn a blind eye to you, but that's not what's going to happen. If the tankie gatekeeping you're doing keeps becoming a trend, you'll may soon find yourself blocked by all of your critics, because nobody will federate with your instances anymore. At least then you won't have any reach anymore and you can exist in the fringes where you belong.
And if the Lemmy devs prove to be a problem, Kbin and Mbin easily replace Lemmy. Tankies don't own the fediverse and never will.
quoted for posterity's sake.
fwiw it think you're right about the future.