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Summary

Donald Trump is likely to claim victory on election night, despite the vote count possibly extending over several days.

Early tallies may lean Republican, reflecting in-person votes, while absentee ballots counted later may shift toward Democrats, creating a “blue shift.”

Key states like Pennsylvania, Arizona, Michigan, and Nevada may take extra time to declare results due to laws and ballot processing delays.

Trump might exploit early Republican leads to allege fraud.

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It's scary to think what the last 10 years will be taught as 50 years from now... regardless of the outcome

[-] anon6789@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago

The fact this isn't localized to the US is the part that has me sweating. We've moved on from a lot of terrible things in America's past, but with so many countries experiencing much the same thing at once, I don't know where we find the good influence in the world.

I hope this will end up being a great wake up to the responsibilities of democracy, but I'll probably be long gone before the ripples of the event of Bush v Gore are done shaking the system. It's going to take a long time to clean things up even if we start tomorrow since the power hungry have gotten away with so much up until this point.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 9 points 4 days ago

This book was written back in 1970 and predicted a lot of this mess.

"Future Shock" by Alvin Toffler. The author was a sociologist; his take was the the change from the old Industrial Age to the new Digital Era would be too overwhelming for many people to handle. They would try desperately to go back to a time they understood.

Sound familiar?

[-] anon6789@lemmy.world 5 points 4 days ago

Wow, that was a ride! I read the Wikipedia synopsis and saw there was a documentary made about it with Orson Wells as the narrator and it was on Youtube and only about 40 minutes, so I checked it out. The intro was so trippy, with brash visuals and loud, violent sound effects combined with a generic John Carpenter synth soundtrack. It was like a deleted scene from Clockwork Orange!

I don't know how much the content differs from the book, but it was a nice insight to my parent's generation and their feelings to the future, or our now I suppose. It was somewhat eye-opening hearing them talk about built by number babies and cloning years before the first IVF baby was born, and things like an interview with a polyamorous couple. The idea of things like changing race at will is still somewhat crazy, but I guess one could carry thing over to confusion about gender fluidity.

It was a crazy mix of 'Member Berries, Old Man Yells at Cloud, but also with some empathy one can actually relate to less mentally flexible people experiencing the titular Future Shock. Where I lose a bit of that sympathy though is in reading the Wiki entry on Toffler himself, it quotes him:

"Society needs people who take care of the elderly and who know how to be compassionate and honest," he said. "Society needs people who work in hospitals. Society needs all kinds of skills that are not just cognitive; they're emotional, they're affectional. You can't run the society on data and computers alone."

I got to spend a lot of time with all 4 of my grandparents from the Greatest Generation. To varying degrees, all seemed to eventually accept, if not embrace the modern times of race equality and even bits of homosexuality. None used computers or much advanced tech, but they didn't seem to begrudge it either. I certainly never heard them complain about too much electric lighting, air conditioning, or running water.

My parent's generation, the Boomers, seem to be going kicking and screaming into the future though. My mom was, and still at heart is a hippie, so she does not have these issues for the most part. My dad and all his friends though seem deeply upset we are not in 1970 anymore. If they didn't have it then, they don't need it now. There seems to be no desire to learn, or to accept new things or ways of seeing the world.

Perhaps life has sped up faster than our minds have changed to handle that. Those rooted in tradition perhaps had more time to adapt in the past. But I don't think my generation has just turned our backs on our parents. They just do not seem to be accepting the embrace we are offering, and I don't know if we can make them.

It's definitely a deeper topic to continue to explorer that can go far deeper than writing it off with an "OK, Boomer," but it's an unfortunate circumstance when you reach out a hand to someone you care about and they just smack it away. My immediate family is not close for a number of reasons, and as they age, I fear how tense things will get whenever the point arrives where they are forced to start relinquishing some control to my brother and me.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 4 points 4 days ago

Toffler inspired science fiction writer John Brunner.

Brunner's book 'Stand On Zanzibar' won the 1969 Best Science Fiction Novel. It's set in the early 21st Century. He followed Toffler's ideas and it's scary how many things he got right.

[-] anon6789@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago

Stand on Zanzibar (1968) is set in 2010, at a time when population pressure has led to widening social divisions and political extremism. Despite the threat of terrorism, U.S. corporations like General Technics are booming, thanks to a supercomputer named Shalmaneser. China is America's new rival. Europe has united. Brunner also foresees affirmative action, genetic engineering, Viagra, Detroit's collapse, satellite TV, in-flight video, gay marriage, laser printing, electric cars, the de-criminalization of marijuana, and the decline of tobacco. There is even a progressive president (albeit of Beninia, not America) named "Obomi".

Have we ruled him out as a time traveler? 😆

I'll have to add this to my reading list. Thanks!

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 5 points 4 days ago

The GOP decided that Monica's blue dress and Stormy Daniels should be part of every school kid's curriculum

[-] P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Lmao, look at this optimist! Thinking we'll have schools, or society in 50 years.

[-] KinglyWeevil@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 4 days ago

Hayes ending reconstruction is one of the worst and possibly one of the most consequential decisions in the history of mankind.

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