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So just 4 days ago we had huge thread about how great she is because she criticized US imperialism and immediately after that she's actively participating in the same imperialism. Also her position on Ukraine remains afaik unchanged, still supporting that fascist and ecocidal imperial puppet. How it is even possible to reconcile, is she two different people or what?

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[-] D61@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Eh... she's protesting the more right wing part of the government winning an election. Seems fine to me.

Russia is useful for destabilizing the Western dominated world order, but is definitely not a "friend" of the left.

Edit: (gonna leave my comment here, because I earned this)

Woof, fucked a hornets nest on this one didn't I?

My intent, ultimately wrongheaded as I may be, was to wonder why we care about Greta Thunberg taking a side in this. I wasn't aware she was more than a minor celebrity based on climate change stuff and has enough... I don't know... influence to draw more outside support for this attempt at a color revolution. This feels likes something for The Dunk Tank and not News.

Sure, she made some negative statements about US imperialism, but that's pretty low hanging fruit. Its the easiest thing in the world to do when there's a flag to identify who is doing what. But can completely understand why it might be much harder to see what's likely going on when the flags are the Georgian flag and the Russian flag, especially when you're in your early 20's.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 34 points 1 year ago

She's participating in literal colour revolution.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

...

We could send her a book on Color Revolutions. Didn't Zinn write a good one?

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Washington Bullets is pretty good.

[-] D61@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago

Sure, but so what. So are lots of other people. Sucks that this was sparked and encouraged by Western NGO's, though.

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 1 year ago

We aren't stanning many of colour revolution participants here, if you didn't noticed.

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Think about exactly what you're saying again? The west is literally trying to Ukrainize Georgia. Participating in a foreign country's electoral processes (foreign interference) to agitate for the country to effectively destroy itself for the US MIC/to maintain western hegemony is an utterly shit move no matter how one looks at it..

[-] D61@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Alright, okay, but there's a part of me that wonders why we're focusing on Greta Thunberg. This is in News and not The Dunk Tank.

So, do we think that she's intentionally laundering for the MIC to turn Georiga into another active battleground against Russia or is she just another one of the millions of people who get swept up in these types of things and we only care because she's a celebrity?

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

If you want my opinion? In this context I'd bet it's the former. This is her gig, her livelihood, she has some (probably) genuine opinions but I doubt this is it, and there are a billion other ways she could have parroted her opinion rather than flying over to Georgia for direct meddling.

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

there is more and more of these pseudo leftist comment giving green lights to all sort of shit because , because "well , I will allow it"

Eh... she's protesting the more right wing part of the government winning an election.

---> A Swedish citizen of the EU is protesting the Democratic Will of the Georgian people , that elected a Anti EU goverment. She is a Swedish Citizen currently fighting literally the "Democratic Will of the georgian People" . You are Also (i strongly assume) not a georgian citizen , so you saying

Seems fine to me.

--->this Is literaly the same thing that Greta is doing !

--> What Job do you have to be able to greenlight "Swedish People" trying to overturn the Democratic Election of Georgia ?

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The more rightwing government is against the further encroachment of the EU and NATO.

The opposition wants to cut all ties with Russia (biggest trading partner), China and become a US lapdog. Seems like "left" is doing a lot of lifting there.

[-] Pili@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

Bro we all know Russia sucks, but the current alternative for those countries sucks A LOT more.

Look at what became of Ukraine after Euromaidan.

[-] plinky@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

sheer balls to parachute in from rich euro country and to participate in protests over elections in poor country to be gobbled up by capital is wild.

At least orwell observed some fascists eliminations.

(Not that the party that has won has some redeeming qualities, tbh, just local capital vs comprador capital)

[-] SadArtemis@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Where exactly is Russia not a "friend" of the left (outside of its domestic policies and social reactionaryism)?

In resisting the western dominated world order, by necessity Russia is one of the more actively anti-imperialist states out there, for starters.

Their championing the cause of de-dollarization (again, by necessity) and assisting in uplifting/working together with the global south to develop their material conditions (developing the nuclear power plant in Burkina Faso for instance) are also absolutely amazing.

There's no excuse for their domestic reactionaryism, but in almost every aspect otherwise and outside their borders they are a friend- a circumstantial friend, perhaps, and one to be approached with some skepticism- but a friend all th same IMO.

[-] Collatz_problem@hexbear.net 4 points 1 year ago

Russia is not a friend of the left, but our interests are often aligned. We still need to be wary nevertheless.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

There are no friends in geopolitics, only mutual interests

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