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So just 4 days ago we had huge thread about how great she is because she criticized US imperialism and immediately after that she's actively participating in the same imperialism. Also her position on Ukraine remains afaik unchanged, still supporting that fascist and ecocidal imperial puppet. How it is even possible to reconcile, is she two different people or what?

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[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 77 points 1 day ago

You guys are all blaming this on her being young but have you considered: she's Northern European.

[-] SSJ3Marx@hexbear.net 61 points 1 day ago

How it is even possible to reconcile, is she two different people or what?

I bet she would call the Belt and Road Initiative "Chinese Imperialism" if asked. This are the typical contradictions of someone who realizes that capitalism and America are bad, but hasn't fully recognized what that means.

She needs to read Lenin.

[-] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 27 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

She is trying to be good, but misses A LOT of stuff. Still good for her age, at least 99% of people would have turned into complete grifters if they were in her shoes.

Also, it is really hard to see evil from within, we all at least slightly empathize with our own region even if it isn't deserved.

[-] mamotromico@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 day ago

Absolutely, at 21 I was an insufferable gamer lib, she’s in a much better spot

[-] Lovely_sombrero@hexbear.net 5 points 1 day ago

Damn, I was such a lib until like 25. Against the Iraq war and other CLEAR stupidity, but a lib on all the less directly obvious stuff.

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[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

this is why Chinese political memes are so much better than western ones.

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[-] Frank@hexbear.net 67 points 1 day ago

Well, she is 21. That's just not a lot of time to shake out all your brainworms. And often people go down one path for a while before realizing it's connected to something else and it's a while before they start to see the shape of the maze. Took me til... 26? 27? To fully break free from my USian programming and that was more the start of a journey than the end of one.

Hopefully she'll do better than I will but she's too young to write off yet. If she keeps on this she'll figure out that climate change, Palestine, proxy wars, all of it leads back to DC, and behind DC is fascism. If we're lucky she'll even drag other people along while she does it.

I'll also say; Palestine is a much easier issue to understand the large scale dynamics of than weird parliamentary politics in other countries. Really grokking what's happening in Ukraine requires a great deal of historical background of the 20th century, plus digging all the way back through the post USSR history of Russia, Ukraine, Putin, Shock Doctrine, the OUN-B, all of it.

Hopefully she'll get better on these things.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 44 points 1 day ago

I feel bad for her because of the pressure that is put on her at a young age.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 31 points 1 day ago

Word. She's been right under the media's guns for a long time now.

[-] came_apart_at_Kmart@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

for real. at 21 my takes were so hot they would have ignited the atmosphere and killed all life on the planet, if

  1. there had been twitter
  2. anyone gave a shit what I thought
[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago

I get these Facebook "memories" stuff from time to time, and it's really cringy

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[-] polskilumalo@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 1 day ago

I'm 21. Maybe it's a skill issue 😎😎😎

[-] Castor_Troy@hexbear.net 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

all of it leads back to DC

Washington D.C.? Das Capital?

[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 18 points 1 day ago

She's supports Ukraine because she blames Russia for the invasion and the ecocide.

[-] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 32 points 1 day ago

She needs to be educated on the Maidan Coup and the US / UK fostering Nazis and Banderites there. What they did to their own people - bombing, murdering, erasing them for resisting fascism.

[-] CommCat@hexbear.net 19 points 1 day ago

My guess is that she is still surrounded by the same people that started her foray into the public eye. They are a bunch of euro socdems that are good on some issues but horrible on most, especially when it comes to countries that are enemies of the USA/West (Russia, China, DPRK, Iran etc...) Until I see her appear with someone like Prashad, I'm not gonna see her as some serious political figure.

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[-] GVAGUY3@hexbear.net 54 points 1 day ago

There are a lot of people that think like this. I don't know why people are surprised. My friend dated a Georgian woman who is very left wing in the states and Palestine, but supports these protests, supports Ukraine. She just doesn't like Putin.

[-] Tabitha@hexbear.net 67 points 1 day ago

nobody likes Putin, we just know that the United States isn't in the business of solving our problems

[-] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 41 points 1 day ago

this

The man is a cretinous piece of shit, but he's not a cartoonish supervillain looking to discover the lost city of Cobra-La to unleash the Snake People on the world of Man

Calling for World War III is unwarranted

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[-] Magjee@hexbear.net 10 points 1 day ago

Like not liking Saddam, but knowing the invasion of Iraq would only make it worse?

[-] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I'm not very surprised, i still remembered that part about Ukraine, posting that as informational if someone forgot because of that thread.

This is, essentially, a liberal position.

[-] REEEEvolution@lemmygrad.ml 14 points 1 day ago

Amen. It is a very ignorant position, too. Considering the amount of "slava untini" sprayed at Gaza walls.

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[-] thetaT@hexbear.net 36 points 1 day ago

left-wing Georgian here.

I don't understand how a "left-wing" person could support these protests. The people behind them are Zionists and people who want to coup the government to estabilish a far-right U.S. puppet, as they did in 2004. And they'd gladly start another war, just like in 2008, except we won't survive this time.

The only kind of "leftist" that would support these kinds of protests is the kind of "leftist" that is really into Scandinavian "socialism" and thinks the EU is somehow "progressive".

[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 25 points 1 day ago

There are a lot of people like that in the US. “Left-wing” in America but conservative to far-right in their home countries. Reminds me of an English woman living in the US who was a big Bernie supporter and favorable towards the Greens, but hated Jeremy Corbyn and supported the LibDems in the UK.

[-] space_comrade@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

This seems very on brand for her tbh, did people really think she went full Marxist Leninst because she mentioned imperialism a few times?

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[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago

feel like y'all are getting too emotional attached to her

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[-] Jabril@hexbear.net 20 points 1 day ago

"Alright Greta, you've built up enough of a legitimate image with the Palestine stuff, time to get back to work"

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[-] Pili@hexbear.net 22 points 1 day ago

Bruh, you were getting on a good track, what happened?

Possible generational change?

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[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

As I said in that thread (third most controversial comment smfh), her statement has wiggle room for lesser evilism. She pretty much said that Trump is worse than Harris and that this election is the most important election of our time. What is that but lesser evilism?

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