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How do Americans win their country back?
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this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
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It's been "too late" for 'mericans to "win back the country" for a couple of decades at least. I mean, the entire electoral/voting system needs to be redone from the ground up because it's very non-democratic.
If Trump won the electoral college but not the popular vote I'd say it is.non-Democratic. But he won the popular vote too. So half the country are just self destructive.
California has only counted around half their votes so a popular vote win for Kamala could be a thing.
Quite the change from 2016, when he lost the popular vote by almost 3 million. Congrats, 'murica.
Yeah we are not trending in the right direction here.
There's a lot of fuckery that happened since before and after the election. They fucked with the census to give red states more ec votes. They changed voting rules and redistricted in many states. They got ballots thrown out in certain areas. Yesterday the voting computer system in my (blue) county didn't work for the first two hours fortunately I voted early. There's also a lot more nuanced targeted misinformation out there now. People have these ideas in their heads and I have no clue where they came from. I block ads all the time but I imagine places like TikTok can easily manipulate people without anybody around them knowing about it.
People don't vote because they see the system is rigged so the popular vote isn't a great standard to go by either, it's a product of the system as well
If you had 100% turnout the popular vote would be very different.
My area is such a strong republican district that my vote is functionally irrelevant aside from the president. Hell, they didn't even bother with democrat candidates on a local level.
If that were me I would run as an independent, people love that on a local level. "I'm putting town/county first!" And say I'm going to fix the roads people LOVE talking about how bad the roads are when it comes to local politics.
There were no good options. And that’s because of the electoral system.
There was a so-so option and a terrible option IMO.
In other words, no good options. Few people were truly excited to vote for Kamala. That's the issue.
I'm sorry, you're looking at these results and seeing too little democracy in play?
Yes. The Dems lost this election more than the Reps won it.
And no, it's not just Harris. It's the fact they haven't accomplished anything substantially changing the lives of people for dozens of years, and they fought more against people like Sanders than people like Cheney.
Doesn't help that you have old hags like Nancy Pelosi refusing to relinquish any power and pass the torch to someone younger. People shouldn't have to wait for you to die to take the reigns.
Limp dick DNC shills corpo agenda than pika face when peasants dont stay loyal to "the good team"
Are you drunk? Just because I would understand if you were drunk.
The ACA never happened in your mind?
The ACA, which brought US healthcare from an 18th century level to a 19th century one in 2010, was a half measure under Obama, he got reelected for it, he was president for 7 more years after he signed that.
First time voters today were 4 years old when it happened. What else has the Democratic Party been doing? How about the housing crisis? How about inflation? Oh, they got that one 1400 USD stimmy check passed after Trump looted the coffers for corpos big and small.
Look, I'm not saying Harris wasn't the better, less destructive choice. I'm saying something had had to happen, and people didn't turn out for a candidate who said the past four years and the way the world is going is good. Not as well as for someone who saw problems and proposed - admittedly monstrous and ineffective - solutions.
Yes. It's not half of America, it's half of the voters. Things would change drastically if only the nonvoter voted.
There is a big fat assumption in there, a similar reason why kamala lost...
If you consider that more people didn't vote for Trump and he still won, then yes.
Please cram another corporate candidate down my thoat daddy 🥺