Win it back from who?
Other Americans who made this choice know who Trump is and thats what they want.
The Rich have always owned this country. No one is taking anything from them. Its illegal to try.
Yup. Americans just won their country back, unfortunately.
Come to Australia mate
We will send our rejects to America in exchange
I think that first you have to start by admitting two things:
After that, you can look at why the Democratic parties fail to appeal to Americans, and try to reform them.
If you go outside of democracy to gain democracy, then you probably lose what's left of your democracy.
Regardless of your views on the Orange Grifter / Gift from God (delete as applicable) this question is fundamentally flawed. “How do we build bridges, find common ground and begin to win over our fellow US citizens who have, in my opinion, made a poor and misinformed political choice that could have terrible consequences for them, our country and the world at large?” might be a more appropriate opener. I understand you’re upset, scared, desolate etc but your language comes off as belligerent and aggressive. Perhaps soften your tone and be more receptive to others’ concerns. For the record, I’ve got no flies on this turd as I’m not from the US, nor do I live there. Good luck.
The Republicans are running on a platform of attacking the rights of racial minorities, and the right for trans people to exist
And the people who vote for them like the pain they cause or are so checked out they don't know/care
Idk if there is a way to work with people who's political agenda is to kill you
If over half of your active voters want to kill people as part of a national policy then you’re probably fucked beyond repair as a people and a nation. My condolences.
"Americans" did win their country back. We aren't welcome in it anymore.
It's over.
What do you mean? Trump won decisively. Electoral, popular, in the senate, etc...
You're really asking, "how does a minority continue to exist in the face of a fascist majority?"
The answer is, generally, they don't.
You forget that he won decisively... with less votes than he got last time
So the way it looks now, Trump has won the presidency, and his allies will have the senate and house of representatives, and they already had the supreme court. The three branches of government will not be working as checks on each other's power, unless we get very lucky and the various factions that make up the GOP split. This is obviously very, very bad, but there are still some checks on presidential power.
Trump's last term was a clusterfuck. Things may just be so disorganized that he struggles to actually get what he wants done.
The states have limited power to defy the feds. While case law does state that federal law supercedes state law, that doesn't mean all States will immediately cooperate wholeheartedly. Obviously a court battle will eventually get to the supreme court, but that takes time and requires a single panel of judges to beat multiple states into line on each new policy.
Governments do have a small amount of caution when it comes to their people. One thing the crazy conservatives had right this whole time was that fundamentally, nobody was ever going to come for their guns because nobody wants to force a confrontation with a bunch of armed lunatics. In the same way, they'll probably try to avoid massive riots and general strikes simply because it isn't worth the fight to whoever is responsible.
Citizens can resist. Go to protests, donate to political advocacy organizations (the ACLU will have its work cut out for it), and for Christ's sake, go vote! Show up every year, just not every 4 years. Without the cooperation of congress, his power would be significantly curtailed.
If nothing else, terms are limited. In 2 years we can swing congress. He isn't going to be able to pass a constitutional amendment to do what he likes before that. If we swing congress in two years, it will slow him down significantly, and then we can replace him in 2028. Hopefully people will actually keep showing up long enough after that to reverse all the damage he's likely to do in the next 4 years.
The states have limited power to defy the feds.
Case in point: legalized marijuana. That said, my fear in regards to states defying laws is:
The former is particularly concerning as police and the national guard are predominately right-wing. My state passed the SAFE-T Act to address abuses in the police/justice system. Naturally, various police departments weren't happy about this, and through obtuse interpretation of the act they'll claim they can't legally do vital parts of their job -- something I've seen multiple times first hand. Refusing to do their job competently in response to MAGA terrorism isn't hard to imagine.
The later gets tricky. Most of the states that would push back against unjust federal laws are also states that pay more in federal taxes than they receive in aid. The "obvious" solution withhold tax dollars going to the fed to make up the difference ... which would be next to impossible in practice. Even if states mange to do it they'd be playing into Republican hands by defunding essential federal services.
Realistically? It's too late.
We now have an ultra-conservative SC for the rest of our lives. The Republican party openly stated and ran on making fundamental changes to our government if they won the House/Senate/Presidency and to "defeat the enemy within".
It doesn't even really matter if the suffering that is coming shocks our society into rebounding in 4 years. The locked in SC and fundamental changes to our government will have already been set in place. Government departments will be run by appointees with absolutely no experience. Entire departments could be re-staffed with partisan political appointees if we are to believe the words of some of the people Trump promised to appoint. We have been placed squarely on the path to decline. That decline won't happen overnight, but in our lifetimes it will become undeniable. We will probably barely recognize this country by the end of our lives.
This election determined the political order we will live under for the rest of our lives.
Buy a gun. Try to find happiness within your immediate sphere. And stay safe, if you can. Very, very few people will come out on top in the scenario we now find ourselves in. Give it a few years and you'll see. They have total control now, so there's no one else to blame for the decline that's essentially guaranteed to become apparent in the near future. But I'm sure if they do fail, immigrants will be at the top of the blame list.
It was a worthy experiment while it lasted.
We radicalize, organize, pour into our communities, support one another, find people already doing the work and join in, and keep fighting like hell.
They don't. It was never their country to begin with, clearly.
The majority of the U.S. has been racist, bigoted, misogynists from the beginning. Hell, the entire electoral college system that just fucked everyone over is a compromise that was put into place because a bunch of rich white landowners in the Antebellum south couldn't stand the idea of freed black men's votes having as much power as theirs. So they immediately rigged the system to keep them in control of who gets power because you better believe no black man was ever going to be an elector.
That is who your country is. There was a brief period from the 60s to the 80s where it became declasse to be an asshole, and so they mostly shut up during that time when they were in public, and then went home and took out their frustration by beating their wives and kids.
Then along came the modern republican party, who began to tear down that cloak of respectability, and it emboldened all of those wife beating shit-heads to say "Hey...we can be assholes again...go us."
This is your America. It always has been. I'm sorry if that hurts. I really am. But right now I'm also goddamned angry at your country on behalf of my country and all the others that have to be caught in the blast.
They will over the next 4 years. Elections swing back and forth. Midterms will probably be greatly fir democrats
Yes, with full control over all 3 branches, fanatacist support groups and a stated desire to overthrow the previous norms and standards in order to build permanent total control, I'm sure the midterms and next election will totally take place and absolutely swing back to the Dems.
Fucking hell.
America has past the point of no return on education. Anti-intellectualism is the status quo now. It's only gonna get worse now.
Waves Bible they've never read
Go to your Democratic party and demand change.
Find a candidate that will stand on the basis of free healthcare, equal rights, the right to union, enforcing a higher minimum wage, enforcing paid sick leave and a minimum of 20 days holiday a year, and committing to lowering the cost of living.
Once someone stands up for this, push them to the moon for the next four years. Tell anyone else NOT on this platform to fuck off.
Essentially, America needs a Project 2029.
The average death age of any empire is 250 years.
Tick tock America. You're proving that figure to be correct.
Facism is capitalism in decay. America just proved that the decay is rapid.
Liberal institutions just paved the way for facism to take root.
Biden could do some official acts. But he won't.
But he won't
Should be the DNC motto.
Gallows humor is all we've got left
He should at least transfer a shitton of military gear to Ukraine in the coming days. Not little stuff either.
Top-tier tanks, jets, warships, and more. Enough to absolutely crush the Russian war machine. Basically everything shy of nukes and loads of it.
I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil.
Firstly, undestanding what left actually is would be a good start. You're not talking about the left. You're talking about liberals. Liberalism isn't left. Liberalism is right-wing, and always have been.
The actual left is very happy to be "uncivil."
Secondly, a good second step would be to finally accept that liberals, and liberalism in general, has never, and will never, oppose fascism.
Those are two very basic things you can do right now.
The left is such a small population in the US, it's irrelevant. If we are to believe Trump's rhetoric, any group that becomes too much of a nuisance will be deemed "the enemy within," and be shot.
The left is such a small population in the US, it’s irrelevant.
And yet this "irrelevant" left managed to beat the far-right off the streets despite the far-right enjoying the support and protection of the police, not to mention luxurious funding. You don't have to believe me, you can hear it from a Neo-Nazi himself.
It's almost like... if you were to stop paying attention to the liberal gaslighting you might realize the answer was right in front of you all this time.
Ok, yes, I support actions like these, and they are good for community defense against small civilian fascist groups. There are not the numbers to counter organizations like FBI, DHS, or national guard though. Things are a bit different when the fascist group you're trying to counter is the federal or state government with the will to kill and immunity from their actions.
the will to kill and immunity from their actions.
That's what they've ALWAYS been.
There's a good reason leftists say, "Fascism is just colonialism coming home to roost."
What they have been doing in the rest of the world they will be doing to YOU sooner or later, and no amount of "voting harder" is going to stop that from coming to pass.
You don't get to decide that. It's inevitable. The only thing you get to decide is what YOU will be doing about that.
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