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Harris only received five percent of Republican votes — less than the six percent Joe Biden won in 2020 when he beat Trump, as well as the seven percent won by Hillary Clinton in 2016 when she lost to him. While Harris won independents and moderates, she did so by smaller margins than Biden did in 2020.

Meanwhile, Harris lost households earning under $100,000, while Democratic turnout collapsed. Votes are still being counted, but Harris is on pace to underperform Biden’s 2020 totals by millions of votes.

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[-] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 35 points 2 weeks ago

So left wing Democrats responded by sitting on their hands instead of voting, knowingly allowing the country to slide into whatever authoritarian hellhole that awaits us? Now that’s the definition of pettiness.

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 63 points 2 weeks ago

We kept trying to warn you.

And every time - every last fucking time - anyone told you that moving to the right was going to cause people to stay home, you lot shot the messenger. Every time someone screamed the writing on the wall out loud, centrists who were so happy that the party was finally embracing genocide and Cheney were like "Russian! Tankie! Trumpist!"

I voted for Harris. You'll blame me anyway. Democrats will always shoot the messenger and double down on their simping for fascists.

[-] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

The liberal tries to become an arbitrator, but he is incapable of solving the problems.

[-] Asafum@feddit.nl 13 points 2 weeks ago

"I do not think that liberals understand the difference between influence and power, and the liberals get confused seeking influence rather than power. The conservatives on the right wing, or the fascists, understand power, though, and they move to consolidate power while the liberal pushes for influence."

Thanks for sharing that link. It unfortunately still shows to be true even today. :(

[-] hernanca@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

I said basically the same the article says a couple of days ago and was pelted with a gazillion negative votes. Centrists are averse to learning from mistakes, otherwise they wouldn't be centrists.

[-] return2ozma@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Every time someone screamed the writing on the wall out loud, centrists who were so happy that the party was finally embracing genocide and Cheney were like “Russian! Tankie! Trumpist!”

Edit: the downvotes prove my point hah

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Of course, they also said that you would be gone as soon as the election was over, since they couldn't accept that anyone who deviated from their pro-genocide orthodoxy could be an actual person and not a Russian bot.

There will be no apologies from any of them for their disgusting near-constant libel that only stopped once there was a rule against calling people Russian bots. They just switched to calling anyone who saw what was going to happen a Trump supporter instead.

They're too busy trying to figure out how to justify how this loss means they need to move to the right.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not nearly as much of a downvote magnet as either of you, and I still have some dude following me around claiming I'm a Stein shill despite every mention of her in my history being to shit on her. They've just got the one move.

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[-] b34k@lemmy.world 62 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, my friend was one of them. I was shocked when 2 weeks before election he told me he was planning on not voting.

I asked why and he cited holding the same position Isreal as Biden, and courting republicans like Cheney, saying that was not a good look for the party at all.

I told him it’s not ideal, but we need to vote to keep Trump out…. Sometimes we just have to be pragmatic.

He responded saying it’s the Dem establishment that keeps allowing a boogey man like Trump to rise so they can shove center right corporatists down our throats. He said he was abstaining from voting to send a message to the DNC, and followed it up with, “we survived a first Trump term, I’m sure we can survive a second.”

[-] billiam0202@lemmy.world 61 points 2 weeks ago

we survived a first Trump term

As long as you weren't one of the million Americans who died of COVID thanks to his misadministration.

Or the Capitol police who died as a result from his attempted insurrection.

[-] b34k@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, he’s an ex-pat who was living in Hong Kong, S Korea, and Vietnam for most of Trumps first term… so I’m sure he didn’t feel it as hard as most of us who were here for it.

[-] Jerkface@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago

"Thousands of my countrymen will perish, but that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make."

[-] Damage@feddit.it 6 points 2 weeks ago

It's a mistake reasoning as if you're taking of one guy. Maybe one third of your population voted, and most of those voted for Trump, it means that most of you guys are pretty ok with dying during the next COVID or whatever

[-] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

I asked why and he cited holding the same position Isreal as Biden, and courting republicans like Cheney, saying that was not a good look for the party at all.

I told him it’s not ideal

And this is what you don't get. There's a huge fucking gap between "not ideal" and "supporting genocide to the point that Dick Cheney likes you." And you didn't acknowledge it. You just belittled it with "not ideal." Because you couldn't admit that what Democrats were doing was monstrous and unconscionable.

Anyone who pulls this "you didn't get 100% of everything you want, but..." shit? They got 100% of everything they wanted. Especially the genocide support. And especially Cheney.

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[-] b34k@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, I am definitely in the camp that Trump part 2 will be worse…. but we don’t know for sure yet

[-] UsernameHere@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Keep in mind Trump is pushing 80 and has a steady diet of McDonalds and Diet Coke. Here’s to hoping nature takes its course.

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

He responded saying it’s the Dem establishment that keeps allowing a boogey man like Trump to rise so they can shove center right corporatists down our throats. He said he was abstaining from voting to send a message to the DNC, and followed it up with, “we survived a first Trump term, I’m sure we can survive a second.”

I remember when I was 14.

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[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 42 points 2 weeks ago

Sorry dude, the problem is well beyond "leftists" and sooner or later you'll need to confront that.

[-] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The average voter mindset is "which president will get me cheaper food?"

My parents get fed propaganda from Wechat (yes that Chinese app) saying democrats are letting too much illegal immigrants in, taking up too much resources.

We are legal immigrants, but shes doesn't see "illegal immigrant" is a dogwhistle about all immigrants that they dont like like black or brown people, or anyone they deem inferior.

Doesnt help the fact that Eric Adams and NYC democrats are building homeless shelters near Chinese American population.

My parents told me some of our relatives in NYC voted Trump, Asian Americans voting trump.

They say some Asian American co-workers at their workplace are supporting Trump.

My parent say "Its fine, we survived one term under trump"

Everyone who's a US Citizen in our household voted Kamala Harris. We tried. Our state PA still went red.

My US Citizen mom once said, "maybe we shouldn't vote for democrats, look at what they did in NYC (refering to homeless shelters)", and I reminded her about the Chinese Exclusion Act. So she vote Harris because I told her to. Like she didnt have a mind of her own. If her children turned out to be conservatives, she'd vote trump. Some people just dont care about politics. Similarly, some people have apolitical children but political parents, those children then vote for who their parents vote for.

We need to fix this voter apathy. Democracy is just broken.

(oh wow didnt mean to type a paragraph, sorry for the wall of text, election results still enraging me...)

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

Don't be sorry, everything you said is correct.

[-] Zaktor@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago

Blue state examples are often particularly confusing for the politically uninvolved, as Eric Adams is pretty close to a Republican. Once a state gets blue enough, anyone with ambition will just say they're Democrats and then do center-right stuff. Often the state parties are not ideological enough to deny the brand when it's just easier to make a bigger and bigger tent of insiders.

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[-] M600@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

I’m not one of them, I voted a month or so in advance by mail.

But I wonder if some people are tired of the lack of change with Democrats in charge and believe that things need to get worse before they can get better.

As "hardcore-left" as I am, I just cannot fathom, being so dumb to not vote "to show the dems". The policies of bad Republican presidents hurt us till today. Think about Reagan vastly accelerating the gap between rich and poor, or Nixon with his failed war drugs.

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[-] orclev@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Pretty much, although it's probably an exaggeration to call them Democrats. In reality most of them are likely unaffiliated with any party. But it was literally Harris's job to convince them to come out and vote for her and she failed at it. When a candidate loses an election, barring election interference, it's their fault. Harris fucked us all by running as a diet Republican. Odds are anyone in here reading this did everything we could to hand her the win, but she pissed it all away by trying to steal votes from the Republicans instead of convincing people that they needed to get off their asses and come vote for her.

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[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

For many, actively supporting Israeli genocide is something they simply can't support.

If there's anything that this election has proven, it's that there are A LOT of one issue voters in this country, across the board. They'll ignore everything else for the one issue they care about above all else. And when you only have two viable parties, that forced a black and white decision.

The fundamental solution is eradicating First Past the Post and getting ranked choice voting so we have a multitude of parties that are all more nuanced instead.

But that won't happen unless we abandon both of the major parties we have now, and they can't let that happen because that means they lose power.

[-] ModestMeme@lemm.ee 8 points 2 weeks ago

What is Trump’s stated opinion on Israel and its war in Gaza? What is Trump’s stated opinion -and first term actions- on Muslims? Seriously, the Biden & Harris = “genocide” horseshit was 100% designed to disenfranchise Democrats. Congress votes on foreign aid. Congress is largely Republican. Protesters NEVER went after Republicans.

[-] halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago

Oh 100%. But if there's anything this election proved, it's that the average American is fucking stupid, gullible as shit, and unable to determine propaganda from reality.

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[-] Rekorse@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

So why are the democrats currently taking part in genociding Palestinians? Thats horseshit too?

Is anything stopping them from being vocally opposed to the situation?

Both candidates messaging was they would "get the war over with" but I guess it sounds better coming from Kamala than Trump?

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[-] jonne@infosec.pub 11 points 2 weeks ago

They all campaigned for Harris and mostly held their criticism to themselves. Harris is the one who decided to go campaign with Liz Cheney and Mark Cuban.

[-] EleventhHour@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

“That’ll show ‘em!”

[-] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 2 weeks ago

This election was lost in every measurable way. She did not lose because of leftists who didn't vote on principal. She lost because the working class overwhelmingly chose not to vote for her. Many of them voted for Trump instead. Many first-time voters voted for Trump. She thoroughly lost to him in every possible way.

[-] TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

I seriously doubt left wingers were the difference in this election. I doubt there are significant enough numbers of far left people in Georgia, North Carolina, Michigan, and Wisconsin for it to have made any real difference.

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