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Cultural Regions of the United States
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As someone who has spent many years in both South-Central and West-Central Indiana... What? We're the South in all but name.
You may be rural and conservative but Indiana is in no way "Southern".
As as Southerner, this
Have you been to this part of Indiana? Because you walk into an Indiana diner and you'll see a lot of familiar stuff on the menu that belongs in the South. You'll also hear accents that sound like they belong in the South.
It's really silly to think that Southern culture just stops at the Kentucky border line.
Also, I'm talking about the southern half of Indiana. Not all of Indiana.
Kentucky ain't Southern either. I can get a Burrito in DC, that doesn't mean they're part of SoCal or the South West. Tennessee is the farthest north I would say the word Southern applies. And half of both those states is actually Appalachia. The Western side of Kentucky is very much Mid-West.
And yes I've visited and lived in the area, and in the South.
Kentucky is literally part of the South. This is a weird purity test.
No it really isn't. It's half Appalachian for starters.
Wait, so now if the Appalachians are in your state, you aren't in The South?
Because, uh... https://www.arc.gov/appalachian-states/
Yes I'm aware of how far the Appalachians officially extend. You forgot Scotland. No the mere presence of them does not indicate Appalachian culture. Yes the area from North Georgia to West Virginia and mid Maryland to Mid Kentucky is a distinct culture.
Being a rural hick doesn't make you southern. It's only been the last 20-30 years that Midwest small towns have been trying to preteend that they are southern rednecks.
I'm 47. No it hasn't.
Not only am I 47, I'm 47 and married to someone who's family goes back to Indiana from the mid-1800s, mostly the Owen County area.
It's the South. It is. You go to Kentucky or Tennessee, it's basically the same culture except they get to call themselves Southern. Even most of the traditional food is much more southern. Grits, okra, cornbread, you name it.
If you went to Tennessee and thought it was the same culture as Southern Indiana you didn't do anything but drive though and stop for food a couple times.
If you went to Tennesse and you thought it was the same culture as Florida or Louisiana, that's also true. What's your point?
Florida is East Coast/Caribbean except for the panhandle. Louisiana is in many ways the most southern state. Of course it's not 1:1 but Western Tennessee does have a culture distinct from Western Kentucky. There's a very distinct historical reason for that.
Okay, then if there is not one monolithic Southern culture, I'm not sure what your point is.
Amongst multiple other Southern cities, I've been to Knoxville. I've been to New Orleans. I've been to Birmingham, I've been to Atlanta and I've been to Jacksonville. If you think any of those cities are remotely the same culturally, you were the one who drove through without stopping. And if any of those cities fail your "The South" purity test, well I doubt most of the people there would agree.
Incidentally, calling Jacksonville either "East Coast" or "Caribbean" is fucking hilarious.
I never said NO, Birmingham, or Atlanta weren't Southern. Jacksonville is absolutely East Coast. Yes the area to it's west is Southern. But the coastal cities have a shared culture right up through Baltimore. After which it's pretty much North East culture. Sometimes it's referred to as South East but that belies the culture between the coastal cities and the Appalachians.
I think you need to draw a map of what you consider to be the South, because it doesn't agree with literally any definition I have ever heard or any map I have ever seen.
I have never, ever heard anyone say Florida, which was literally in the Confederacy is not part of the South.
And now you're actually trying to claim that parts of Georgia aren't in the south. You are sounding nuts. I hope you realize that.
Seriously. One map. I can find plenty that say you're 100% wrong.
I admit I can find maps that don't include Kentucky. I have yet to see one that doesn't include the parts of the Appalachians that are in Georgia.
Even the U.S. government doesn't agree with you.
You're the one that wanted to drill down. I was open about the general cultural regions.
So no maps? Because I think I've brought evidence. You have yet to do so.
Your own evidence invalidates your entire premise that Indiana is The South.
I think you forgot what I said. This is what I said:
This literally means it is not the South.
You have turned this around to say that almost every part of the South is only the South in name because almost none of them past your purity test.
So you are but you are not.
These are conflicting statements. You either are, or are not. And Indiana is nowhere near the south. Even including Kentucky is debated. What you are is rural Mid-West.
No, I'm not but I'm not.
I'm not talking about geography. I'm not sure why that hasn't been clear to you this entire time.
I didn't think you were.
Then why were you talking about how specific states were not in the South as if it ended at a political border?
Either the South stops at the Kentucky/Tennessee line and stops again on the Georgia/Florida line or you're not talking about geography.
It can't be both.
Because you kept bringing it up.
I think you need to review the order of conversation here and what you have previously said, implying that crossing an imaginary political boundary that separates one state from another has some sort of relevancy.
I never said the borders of the states were the borders of culture. They are merely convenient units to show the breadth of a culture. In fact I split states several times once we got to drilling down at your request. And none of this makes Indiana part of Southern culture. It is firmly Mid-West and part of Ohio River Valley culture built through the 150 years or so the river was the main mode of transport. In fact it's this same culture that reaches down into Western Kentucky. Which is why Kentucky is only debatably southern, switching depending on which map you use.
How much time have you spent in Indiana and where did you go?
I'm not doxxing myself for Internet points.
Claiming that you will doxx yourself by saying how much time you've spent somewhere and where you went is some weak-ass shit.
"OMG, she spent 3 weeks in Lafayette in 2013! Now I know who she is and where she lives and how much money is in her bank account!"
Weak-ass.
I just don't care enough. It's not like we're talking about human rights here.
I am going to take this absolute refusal to say where and when you were in Indiana to mean that you've never been to any part of Indiana for any significant amount of time and thus all of this has been you not having the faintest idea of what you're talking about.
So I guess I can move on with that resolved.
Lmao. No, but you do you.
That's a funny response for someone who claims they don't care.
I guess that was a lie. So we have a lie and just basic bad faith discussion. Any other troll-like behavior you want to do before I end this conversation and report you?
I'm sorry but not submitting to your personal Inquisition into my life does not make me a troll.
Your response is noted. You have been reported as a troll and I will note and report your responses to me as those of a troll in the future and report accordingly. Please do have the last word to do whatever insulting you wish to do.
The only person here whose even uttered an insult is you when you called me a "weak ass".