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[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net -1 points 2 days ago

Letters arranged in such a way as to convey a thought.

[-] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee 7 points 2 days ago

That definition could apply to a whole sentence (or novel), or a sound like "pfft." Or it could be an initialism, a movie rating, or an analyzed string of DNA. All these and more are letters arranged in a way as to convey thought.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net -1 points 2 days ago

An analyzed string of DNA is letters arranged to convey a living creature; not a thought. ๐Ÿ˜Œ

[-] Please_Do_Not@lemm.ee 1 points 2 days ago

Ah, well that explains away one of the examples... You must be right! (I'd argue that the analysis of DNA is a thought/type of understanding, rather than the essence of a living thing, but that quickly gets towards another linguistic argument of Sausserian structuralism vs post structuralism.)

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm not taking any of this seriously, but if others want to continue taking it that way I'll play along :p

[-] lugal@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 days ago

That only moves the question to what a thought is. Also: why only written language? Aren't there spoken or signed words?

[-] merde@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 days ago

Letters arranged in such a way as to convey a thought.

not necessarily.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Fits your definition, isn't a word.

Aaaarfgfhfhrhhhh

Fits your definition, isn't a word

Micro$oft

Doesn't fit your definition, could be considered a word

@$$

Doesn't fit your definition, could be considered a word.

Also, your definition doesn't include spoken languages, or words in languages that don't use letters to build words.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

The first two do not fit the description, as neither is conveying a thought. Those aren't words. They're onomatopoeias.

Spoken words are still made up of letters, even if they're not written down.

Just because they aren't roman letters, does not mean they aren't letters. Cuniform and hieroglyphs are just a different kind of letter.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 day ago

The first two do not fit the description, as neither is conveying a thought. Those aren't words. They're onomatopoeias.

They do convey thoughts, which is why you know what they mean.

They're not onomatopoeia, because they aren't made to reflect sounds (though the first one reflects a sound a person would produce with their vocal tract, those aren't usually called onomatopoeia).

Spoken words are still made up of letters, even if they're not written down.

Spoken language came before written language. Words existed long before letters were invented. So then letters making up words can't be the definition of words because words existed before letters existed to "form" them.

Just because they aren't roman letters, does not mean they aren't letters. Cuniform and hieroglyphs are just a different kind of letter.

They don't need to be Roman letters, but many written languages don't use letters. I'm not sure about cuneiform, but I know that not all hieroglyphs are letters. Chinese is another written language that doesn't use letters, for example.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

They do convey thoughts, which is why you know what they mean.

I'm sorry but even as a joke, this is just way too wrong. The examples given of "Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm" and "Aaaarfgfhfhrhhhh" have no meaning. They are, at best, sounds. Making them onomatopoeias.

[-] otp@sh.itjust.works -1 points 1 day ago

Mmmm is something that people (English-speakers?) say when something tastes good, seems appetizing, or is interesting or arousing or something. It's not exactly a word, but it's not an onomatopoeia.

"Aaaarfgfhfhrhhhh" would be an example of someone typing frustratedly into the keyboard (or mashing their keyboard) because something didn't go their way. It's an arrangement of letters to express frustration. It isn't even necessarily a sound that anyone would vocalize. So it's an arrangement of letters that conveys a thought but isn't a word.

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