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[-] quarrk@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

in any system the leader of that system by definition cannot be an ordinary man

Reminds me of Gödel's second incompleteness theorem

The second incompleteness theorem, an extension of the first, shows that the system cannot demonstrate its own consistency.

A logical system (e.g. standard mathematics) cannot prove its own axioms. Therefore not all problems are solvable using standard mathematics.

[-] ThermonuclearEgg@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

A logical system (e.g. standard mathematics) cannot prove its own axioms.

However, this restriction only applies to consistent systems. An illogical system (e.g. liberalism) can prove its own axioms.

[-] Tomorrow_Farewell@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

A logical system (e.g. standard mathematics) cannot prove its own axioms

It can, and trivially so. Because every statement implies itself, we can just use modus ponens on each axiom A and (A => A) and we get A (if you even need an inference rule).
What the theorem says is that a relevant logical system (not just any logical system) cannot prove that it is not self-contradictory.

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