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What in the world is this pointless moralization of the conflict? The Russians have warned repeatedly that American weapons striking into Russia is a red line and they will retaliate, just like they warned that Ukraine joining nato is a red line and they retaliated for that.
Moralization is all liberals and ultras know how to do
They could say anything is a red line. They could say sanctions are a red line, they could say supplying Ukrainians with tanks is a red line. Ultimately they're going to be fine.
Deploying NATO-member troops into Ukraine to fight directly, or anything else that involves a direct conflict, is an act of war, because that is what is consequential. Arms dealing has been going on since before the SMO started, it's a difference of degree rather than category. Whining about it is a fuss over no substantial change, and over a type of weapon that is not new to the conflict.
The whole Ukraine war is happening because people in charge of NATO thought that Russia's stated red lines could be crossed over without concequence. And the American empire has already been dealt a fatal blow in retaliation, with American hegemony in active collapse.
The accelerationist part of me rejoices seeing how idiot westerners will lead us to WW3 and destroy themselves. The realist part of me is terrified of WW3. How conflicting these feelings are.
American global presence is still going to take decades to fully wane, unless the process is precipitated all at once in a widely encompassing outbreak of conflict. Beyond a horizon of 2 years into the future, I'm not sure which I prefer either.