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World War III has officially begun, Ukraine’s ex-top general says
(www.politico.eu)
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Europe needs to stand the fuck up and decide if they are actually allies or not. Stop Russia now or they won't stop till they get to France.
right, as soon they take all non-nato nations russia will finally be happpy and peace will reiiiiign
I mean, I don't know where you get your news, but things ain't going so hot right now.
I think since Russia brought in troops from NK, Ukraines "allies" need to step up.
I mean, it might take a couple of decades, but if NATO and/or Europe is unwilling to actually stop Russia from invading and holding other countries' territory, it's just going to keep stealing more.
does the US have the ability to prevent other NATO countries from assisting each other? i'd hope that if shit goes to fuck that at least the nearby NATO countries would realize they ought to follow the terms of the agreement for their own sake.
I've been having this conversation with my European friends recently, but what do you expect the NATO treaty is worth once Trump is in power? Like, an honest question. How much faith to you put in it? Because as far as I can tell, Trump is very anti-NATO and its not clear to me that he or Republicans would respect that treaty.
To be clear, I agree with the general quoted in the article. Ukraines allies are not taking this seriously. "But NATO..." is passing the buck. I think the EU is stronger than it gets credit for and should flex its muscle to tell Russia to take a hike.
NATO without the USA loses a lot of logistical and conventional power but is still backed by French and British nukes. That should still make Putin wary of actually triggering Article 5.
Besides, Germany has already demonstrated how effectively it can use a war economy so a conventional war against NATO-without-the-States would probably either be quick or an attrition slog. And I don't think that Russia has the means to pull off either without directly bringing China into the war.
I do agree that Europe should do more, although Russian psyops have been effective over here as well – fringe parties are on the rise and conveniently all of them happen to like Russia. What a coincidence. That plus the economic downturn expected after Trump takes a sledgehammer to global trade again puts a damper on our effectiveness.
The EU(because we can’t assume the US is going to be particularly helpful)’s gdp is a magnitude higher than russia’s, the same way russia’s is vs ukraine.
You're right. People seem to have forgotten what mutually assured destruction is all about. Ukraine is outside of this protection but all NATO countries are covered by it.