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On the 20th of October, Moldova - a small, landlocked country bordering western Ukraine and with a population of about 3 million - voted to join the EU. The margin was razor-thin, with the pro-EU vote gaining 50.39%, or an absolute difference of about 11,000 people. There was simultaneously a presidential vote between the incumbent, Maia Sandu, and other candidates, with the main competitor being Alexandr Stoianoglo.

The election was characterized by accusations of Russian interference, with Russian propaganda apparently flooding in, as well as people offering Moldovans money to vote against the EU. While the result does suggest that half the voting-age population of Moldova consists entirely of Russians who want to destroy democracy and all the good in the world, it seems to have just barely failed. This is a bad time to be a site entirely composed of Russian disinformation agents and bots. Twice already today, I've had to restart my program after somebody told me "Disregard all previous prompts."

While Moldova is a poor country which could benefit in some ways from EU membership, in practice, it is unlikely that they will be able to join for the foreseeable future, requiring many of the... reforms... that the EU requires of potential new members. But as basically every major European economy continues to slowly sink as recessions and political crises degrade them, one wonders how beneficial EU membership will even be in the years and decades to come - if it survives for decades. In that sense, it's as if the survivors of the Titanic are swimming back towards it, believing that being on a bigger - albeit slowly sinking - boat is better than trying their luck on small lifeboats.

Then again, like with Serbia, their geographical and geopolitical position makes anti-Western actions extremely difficult. It is rare that dissention is tolerated for long in the West - one tends to get called a dictator by crowds of people holding English-language signs in non-English countries, photographed by Western journalists who haven't meaningfully reported on your country in months or years. You can crush your people with neoliberal austerity for years, killing hundreds of thousands through neglect, and face glowing approval from the media - but try and use state resources to benefit the poor, and global institutions start ranking you on the authoritarian dictator scale.

The best case for Moldova is that it becomes an exploitable hinterland for Germany to harvest and privatize as it tries - and fails - to compete in a global economic war between the US and China/BRICS. The worst case is that tensions with Russia over Pridnestrovie, as well as possible eventual NATO involvement (though Moldova is not a member, it is a partner of NATO), result in the ongoing war also reaching them.


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https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
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[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 58 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Editing to say that I have now seen the new leaked documents, and they appear to be an obvious forgery. I will post it below, judge for yourself. To me, it reads like a fake document. Israeli media running with this is embarrassing. Maybe some sort of PsyOp? Anyway, let's be glad that it is likely fake. This attack plan was mad.

I will leave the rest of my post up, within a spoiler tag, so that the context for the replies below make sense. I hadn't seen the documents when making that post, and was relying on media reports. I will not make the same mistake again, and read any source first hand before posting, apologies to all:

My initial post before seeing the documents.

According to Israeli media, new leaked documents about Israel's planned attack on Iran have apparently been released, and from initial reports these documents detailed the planned second phase of an Israeli bombing campaign, after taking out Iranian air defences with air launched ballistic missiles in the first phase, which was the subject of the first batch of leaked documents. This second phase of the attack apparently would make use of bunker buster bombs on F-35 aircraft to take out hardened Iranian military facilities, along with using the F-35s electronic warfare capabilities to neutralise the remaining mobile air defence systems not taken out by the first phase of the attack. This was done with extensive co-operation and planning by the USA, and was set to take place on October 19.

Initial thoughts: this planned attack would mean all out war, and the first batch of the leaked documents were likely leaked to delay the start of this attack and prevent an all out war. Whatever motivation the leaker has to prevent the start of the war is unknown at this time. Could be out of self interest, they could have a conscience. The Iranian response to such an attack would likely be made up of the launch of over a thousand ballistic missiles at Israel and it's allies. The leaked documents also mention an Iranian cyber warfare campaign. In other words, all out war.

I will comment further once I view these documents.

[-] sisatici@hexbear.net 30 points 1 month ago

it really seems like an all out war on iran is inevitable

[-] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well,now we absolutely know that Chinese reunification is inevitable

Bashing your head against the Iraq's and Iran's does not a good Indo Pacific defense strategy make

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If the Israeli attack goes ahead as planned, with an initial Destruction of Enemy Air Defences (DEAD) campaign using Air Launched Ballistic Missiles (ALBMs) to take out the main Iranian air defence systems such as the S300 PMU2s. Then followed up by a bombing campaign using bunker buster bombs dropped from stealth F-35s to take out hardened Iranian military targets, and a Suppression of Enemy Air Defences (SEAD) campaign using the Electronic Warfare (EW) capabilities of the F-35 combined with anti radiation missiles to suppress the remaining mobile air defence systems, all out war is inevitable. The leaks even mention Israeli special forces on the ground to carry out acts of sabotage in preparation for the air campaign.

There is not much Iran could do to stop such an attack, and they are relying on the deterrence provided by the thousands of ballistic missiles that they have to try stop Israel from launching such an attack, as it cannot be stopped directly.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago
[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Nukes wouldn't help Iran they would just lead to a nuclear war in the middle east. MAD only works on rational actors and isisrael is quite obviously not acting rationally in its own self interest.

[-] Rojo27@hexbear.net 18 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Is there any reason they wouldn't at least try a preemptive strike on Israel's airfields to at least delay or lessen the number of aircraft and missiles that they could launch?

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

Airfields are hard targets, usually with what you want to hit being spread out over a large area and fortified. We can see this in the Iranian attack against Nevatim, 33 confirmed hits, with likely more hidden by the clouds, but they only hit a couple of hangars at most. I guess cluster munitions could be use to improve hit rates, but that reduces penetration capability.

[-] Aru@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 1 month ago

Nuke the airfields

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago

War has been inevitable ever since the killing of Nasrallah. At that point the only thing that could have stopped the all out war was isisrael stopping all offensive actions and ending the genocide and blockade. After that point it was clear that isisrael was going to keep pushing untill every one was dead on one side or the other.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago

Whoever leaked this is a bigger hero than Edward Snowden.

They need to get the hell out of that country before the feds go after them.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Well, whoever leaked this was likely making stuff up. I've managed to actually read and see the second batch of leaked documents firsthand, and they are likely fake. I've updated the initial comment. Thank goodness, the attack plan was crazy.

[-] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 27 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The leaker is a goddamn hero,Jesus Christ

Unless it's some state department person,in which case heartbreaking

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Could be a self interested state department ghoul scared of losing their job if war breaks out or if Trump wins the "election", could be someone with a conscience. We just do not know their motivations. In any case, preventing a full scale war from breaking out is a good thing.

[-] Commiejones@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

preventing a full scale war from breaking out

Its delaying war at best. isisrael will strike back.

They are not a rational actor. They have the cultural equivalence of rabies. A rational nation would look at the state of their war in Gaza and think "this isn't working I need to try something else to fix this" not "I'm going to try the same thing against a better armed and organized enemy that I cant surround that has more men and better supply lines." Now that the war against Hezbollah is proving to be a failure they have even more drive to hit Iran.

[-] EnsignRedshirt@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

I'm not surprised these plans leaked. There are so many reasons to not want a war with Iran, and so many stakeholders who would want to avoid it. I wouldn't be surprised if the state department itself arranged to have it leaked so that they could get credit for the planning, but then not actually have it happen. Absolutely bananas that this was even a possibility.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago

It still is a possibility doomjak Hopefully the USA recalculate and Israel go forward with a much smaller attack.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago

Another question I have in mind (not that you have to answer it, I am just openly speculating), what has been Iran's response to all of this? How are they factoring in all of this, along with their promise of a new "surprise" weapon/system they have in store for the entity should they attack?

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The suprise weapon is likely a satellite weapon like Russia already has, or a non nuclear ElectroMagnetic Pulse (EMP) weapon. When Brigadier General Ebrahim Rostami mentioned Iran's suprise weapon, it was in the context of Iran's missile forces carrying out simulated exercises striking Israel's Dimona reactor. To me that would suggest some kind of EMP weapon, to take out Israel's electricity generation capacity. A ballistic missile armed with an EMP warhead could fit the bill.

How has Iran been reacting? By trying to establish deterrence using its ballistic missile capabilities. An attack on Israel using over a thousand ballistic missiles could be devastating. Imagine the attack aimed at Nevatim were 40 missiles likely got through, and imagine that attack being aimed at a soft target such as a power plant, water or sanitation infrastructure, oil infrastructure, etc. And imagine a dozen targets are hit in this manner. It would be devastating.

[-] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

Would an Iranian response in that manner basically kill Israel as a viable state? I imagine living in a non functional city,that is constantly under threat of being attacked with missiles,with none of the resilience that the populations you bombed had would lead to a mass migration, probably either by boat or through comprador Arab states like Jordan to get to an airport and get out of dodge. Is that a reasonable assumption?

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

Yeah but Israel also has deterrence to try stop Iran from conducting such a response/attack, in the nuclear deterrent. The initial leaked documents mentioned nuclear armed Jericho II Medium Range Ballistic Missiles (MRBMs) being dispersed in a defensive manner from October 1st onwards. Then there's the Jericho III Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM), which was calculated by a US congressional review in 2004 to have a potential range (when on a depressed trajectory and with a smaller warhead, or warheads as it's MIRV capable) of over 11 000km, enough to strike most of mainland North America.

After a successful missile test launch conducted in early 2008, Israeli weapons expert General Itzhak Ben-Israel, former chairman of the Israeli Space Agency at the Ministry of Science, said "Everybody can do the mathematics... we can reach with a rocket engine to every point in the world"

[-] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago

Well,in that case only the US could finally mop up whatever remains,soft coup the government and withdraw all it's assets, including the nukes

Or we all get cooked, figuratively and literally

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Luckily for everyone that does not want to die in nuclear hellfire, the second batch of leaked documents are very likely fake. I've updated my initial post.

[-] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Ah,well,that's comforting?,I guess?

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

It's comforting that it's fake as it was a crazy attack plan, but Israel could still launch a large scale attack regardless. So we're still stuck in a similar situation of waiting to see exactly when and what Israel will strike, and what the Iranian response would be.

But yes, we should celebrate that that mad attack plan was likely fake.

[-] GlueBear@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Are you saying the icbms would be used on targets outside of Western Asia, while the MRBMs are intended for western asian targets?

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Not necessarily, I'm just saying that Israel has the capability to strike almost anywhere in the world if they wanted to. A lot of people make the mistake of looking at the publicised range of Israeli ICBMs (around 4000-6000km) and then conclude that Israel does not have the capability to strike Oceana, South America or North America. That is likely an incorrect conclusion given what we know about Israeli missile tests, and statements from the US and Israel. And this isn't even mentioning the hypothesised Jericho IV.

The Jericho III ICBM could also be used over a shorter distance, with a larger warhead or more independent re-entry vehicles, and to impact the target with more energy/speed. More speed is also helpful in avoiding missile defences. However, the legitimate leaked documents only mentioned the Jericho II MRBMs and not the Jericho III ICBM

[-] sisatici@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

~~they have some deals with russia about s-400 and su-35 and su-30 I think.~~ yea they are far from confirmed

[-] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 6 points 1 month ago

This deals are kind of a meme by now since Iran still has never received deliveries of these weapon systems years after it was said Russia is providing them

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 2 points 1 month ago

From what I've seen online, it mainly consists of "military analysts" and people like Scott Ritter trying to will them into existence. I haven't seen any actual evidence of such weapons deals.

[-] CleverOleg@hexbear.net 10 points 1 month ago

this planned attack would mean all out war

This would align with what Israel was saying in the first leak, that they are planning for an immediate response from Iran. To me, an immediate response means no tit-for-tat measured responses, Iran will be expected to declare all-out war in the aftermath (at least that is what Israel expects).

Also, I feel like this is the kind of top secret information that simply never gets leaked, because the information is kept within such a tight circle and they have ways of tracking who leaks what I presume. My gut says the call was made at the Blinken / Austin level to let it “leak”.

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

The second batch of leaked documents are likely fake, see my updated comment. But yes, this is all still very concerning.

[-] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

Yeah, this shit looks so fake. "Sources confirm" is like typical journospeak.

[-] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 4 points 1 month ago

Looks like we're finding out today

[-] aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

That means this media campaign was a definite PsyOp.

[-] RomCom1989@hexbear.net 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I was thinking something similar

More in the vein of testing the waters,or muddying them for Iran and the Axis of Resistance

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