[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

That was under Reagan! Bill Clinton tried to solve the problem! maybe-later-honey billdawg

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FINKELSTEIN: Briefly, because we don’t have time, there were four key issues at Camp David and at Taba. Number one, settlements. Number two, borders. Number three, Jerusalem. Number four, refugees. Let’s start with settlements. Under international law, there is no dispute, no controversy. Under Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, it’s illegal for any occupying country to transfer its population to Occupied Territories. All of the settlements, all of the settlements are illegal under international law. No dispute. The World Court in July 2004 ruled that all the settlements are illegal. The Palestinians were willing to concede 50% — 50% of the Israeli settlements in the West Bank. That was a monumental concession, going well beyond anything that was demanded of them under international law.

Borders. The principle is clear. I don’t want to get into it now, because I was very glad to see that Dr. Ben-Ami quoted it three times in his book. It is inadmissible to acquire territory by war. Under international law, Israel had to withdraw from all of the West Bank and all of Gaza. As the World Court put it in July 2004, those are, quote, “occupied Palestinian territories.” Now, however you want to argue over percentages, there is no question, and I know Dr. Ben-Ami won’t dispute it, the Palestinians were willing to make concessions on the borders. What percentage? There’s differences. But there is no question they were willing to make concessions.

Jerusalem. Jerusalem is an interesting case, because if you read Dr. Ben-Ami or the standard mainstream accounts in the United States, everyone talks about the huge concessions that Barak was willing to make on Jerusalem. But under international law Israel has not one atom of sovereignty over any of Jerusalem. Read the World Court decision. The World Court decision said Jerusalem is occupied Palestinian territory. Now, the Palestinians were willing, the exact lines I’m not going to get into now — they are complicated, but I’m sure Dr. Ben-Ami will not dispute they were willing to divide Jerusalem roughly in half, the Jewish side to Israel, the Arab side to the Palestinians.

And number four, refugees. On the question of refugees, it’s not a dispute under international law. Remarkably, even fairly conservative human rights organizations like Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, in 2000, during the Camp David talks, they issued statements on the question of the right of return. And they stated categorically, under international law every Palestinian, roughly five to six million, has the right to return, not to some little parcels, 1% of Israel, which Israel is about — which Israel would swap, return to their homes or the environs of their homes in Israel. That’s the law. Now, Dr. Ben-Ami will surely agree that the Palestinians were not demanding and never demanded the full return of six million refugees. He gives a figure of 4-800,000. In fact — I’m not going to get into the numbers, because it’s very hard to pin it down — other authors have given figures of the tens of thousands to 200,000 refugees returning. That’s well short of six million.

On every single issue, all the concessions came from the Palestinians. The problem is, everyone, including Dr. Ben-Ami in his book — he begins with what Israel wants and how much of its wants it’s willing to give up. But that’s not the relevant framework. The only relevant framework is under international law what you are entitled to, and when you use that framework it’s a very, very different picture.

finkelstein-lambaste Norm on Camp David

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 4 points 6 days ago

sorry, but Putin will invade UK first, they just need to get through a couple of villages

(send money)

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 127 points 1 month ago

So Mossad HQ is in a densely populated area in Tel Aviv, so it's not fair to bomb it

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 82 points 2 months ago

wow it came as a complete surprise that Keir Starmer wants to employ austerity measures
Who would've taught, that Keir Starmer (of all people!), the person who waged war on social democrats, is a Thatcherite? wow
surprised-pika-messed-up

“We are taking the tough decisions now so we can fix the foundations and deliver on the mandate of change we were elected on to rebuild Britain.”

Remind me quick, what kind of economic policies they used after WW2 to literally rebuild Britain?

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 82 points 4 months ago

kim-salute Comrade Stein

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 104 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

It still amazes me that the general public/mainstream media just forgot about Nord Stream like nothing happened or it never even existed.

This is like undeniable proof of the invented reality of the western public consciousness.

No real investigation by journalists (apart from Hersh), western state agencies said they'll drop the case, walk away, nothing happened.

I bet that at least half of liberals never even heard the official cover story and they still think it was Putler.

Mindblowing.

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 84 points 6 months ago

Wow madman Putin really did order the riot police to crack the skulls of student protestors... what a piece of shit dictator. Wait... it was the US? Surely EU will sanction them after this. Slava Navalny

[-] Kieselguhr@hexbear.net 88 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

somebody actually did splice together the video when the Chinese tank goes around the guy, and the footage on the other side is from the BLM protests when a cop car just drives into the crowd

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