[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 hours ago

There is a grain of truth in this stereotype, innit?

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 hours ago

Explain to them that Meta employees can and will look at their sexting and nude photos.

If this doesn't alert them, they are a lost cause.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 hours ago

I want to second your choice of Tantacrul's video on MuseScore's UI/UX, it is really a great resource. And more relevant to this discussion, at some point he says about the logo "Job Done. It is Open Source anyway, nobody is expecting too much." How hilarious and true!

who are actual UX experts

To be fair there are some aspects to it that are impossible to get right without targeted user research, so yes, this is a whole cost structure on its own, and should come down from the organization.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 3 points 9 hours ago

This story is inspiring and unique in its own sake.

More broadly, it is important to showcase stories like these, and change the perception of bad UI/UX in OSS.

I realize, in relation to another comment on this, there is some elitism in OSS developers.

I probably have been oblivious to it because I picked up computers post-conviction as a second-chance career, and I always approached the field as an outsider. I thought that made me immune to elitism because I picked the skills up as an adult, and always thought that if I can learn then everyone can learn, but people now treat me as one of the geeks rather than as one of the normies, and it seems I did not catch up with that.

So, yes, I concede, OSS developers should put more effort into appealing and highly usable UIs, but I still believe this would work better at the OSS-"foundation" level rather than the individual developer who first and foremost develops a solution for his own use case, and broader usability is typically an afterthought.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 hours ago

Great point.

it doesn’t make sense when there’s no incentive to sell

I assume the cost of transition is sth that should be justified. Even learning to use the software is a kind of cost structure in itself. So, they need to understand why it is worth it.

always somebody to blame for missing features or outages

It tracks. But there are possibly responses to that, like open source business models that are based on long term support or an enterprise subscription.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 8 points 23 hours ago

OK with laughing over your own joke, but if you burst out and are not even able to finish uttering it, then I think this is a bit childish.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 12 points 23 hours ago

I could sit down and explain transgender issues to a good faith person that is not up-to-date with the terminology or what is considered offensive, or intersex topics. But people being so sensitive to not being called bigoted when shouting their transphobia from the rooftops, it has pissed me off to the extent I can't assume good faith anymore.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 1 points 23 hours ago

it is a skill issue for users to get over

I can't explore the details right now. I believe that usability should be addressed by OSS developers. I believe in educating users as I believe in better funding initiatives to achieve that, as I believe in people also paying to OSS a fraction of what they pay to closed source corpos.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

OK if you insist, let's point out that just because people can look at the code and find vulnerabilities, this does not mean they automatically do. Just because it is open source it does not mean automatically it is secure nor private. I hope everybody reading this understands that. On the other hand, there are analyses on why the XZ thing happened, for example this one looking at bullying in the community and pressure for fixes. Without following the communities regularly and researching there is no point in being a passive consumer of open source products. Having said that, with proprietary software the opportunity to audit the code is not even there to start with, eg you have to take a provider's like Microsoft's or Telegram's word for their encryption. Let's not forget to address the misconception that viruses can't be written for Linux. They can. Also persistent actors are willing and able to compromise open source and even air-gapped systems.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago

This reminds me of an older discussion about Matrix vs. Discord. Someone said that Matrix does not even have to look like (or even have comparable features to ) Discord for it is a proprietary for-profit and they have lots of people working on streamlining things and adding features. This includes the "visual appeal" of the GUI of course. Some people might find that important. If you ask me people should learn to use the shell in elementary education, so this discussion about dumbed down users (who expect a big magic button that next to reads their minds) has other angles beyond catering to that specific type of user. Because this user has been conditioned by a huge corporate ecosystem of marketers and front end developers. Interesting point for extending this discussion nonetheless.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 day ago

E2EE by default and decentralized (if I’m not mistaken)

You are not mistaken, Jami is both.

[-] whydudothatdrcrane@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

They are OK with free when it is closed source and harvests their data. In fact, some dev said that people would spend 30$ on burgers and beer for an outing, but spending 1$ to support an OSS app is unthinkable. In turn this makes developers to rely[^1] on ads and data harvesting which makes things worse for everyone.

[^1]: I don't know if I agree, because I will never rely to such monetization methods, but who knows, perhaps there are some people with ethics that have no other way to make ends meet. I believe it is the whole culture that promotes these practices as acceptable, and you can see the opposite in this community or in places like FDroid/Droidify where it is not acceptable to monetize in such ways. People just don't do it.

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Folks, let me share some random observations with you, because I can't wrap my mind around those.

  1. People have Zoom, Teams, Slack, Discord, Messenger, Telegram, and Viber, all happily installed on their phones at the same time. When you then invite them to Matrix they are like "Is this necessary? Why install yet another one of those?"

  2. People who use Chrome by default without ad blockers, and you just hint there is a massive intelligence and surveillance operation are quick to respond that "I am getting this services for free, so it is fine to give something back" [^1].

  3. People thinking that OSS is not secure enough for their devices. Surprise surprise, it is the exact same people who fall for obvious scams and their devices are ad-ridden, bloated horrors that have not been updated in a million years, but they think that Libre Office will break their computer and lose their emails.

  4. People thinking that privacy and anonymity enthusiasts are shady freaks who want to go live in the woods and possibly terrorists. There is a slightly insane take here that we are against technology because we refuse to "just" install an app to make our lives easier[^2].

So they do not complain about being exploited and disrespected, while ripped off and offered crap services, as long it is a capitalist corporation shaking them down with vendor lock-in and network effects. They are grateful even. But just the idea of installing a single free/libre OSS app or extension to protect their privacy is a red flag and pushes their buttons big time, even for just suggesting it.

So, what are your own examples of anti-OSS stupidity, and how do you explain its prevalence in society?

[^1]: It is how quick they are in responding that way, which makes me think that the idea is already crystalized in their minds, by some "anti-OSS" discourse.

[^2]: But just installing a Matrix client is a big deal.

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There was that John Stewart interview with Sarah Smarsh. That was a pain to watch, but the gist was that "we didn't pander to the American rural working class identity".

I felt weird about this framing of working class, which seems to mean the low-brow identity. "Oh sorry there, we were mistaken in thinking that NPR is par to Fox News". And now, what exactly Democrats? Are you going to cater to anti-intellectuals to get votes? You know like fascists do? So they will try to take a page out of Trump's book, but they are doomed because they can't do it as well as fascists do. There is a chasm between that (whatever is called...) NPR discourse and the pre-industrial dogmas and prejudice. That's why everybody says that even logical arguments do not work the same way with them, as we have seen time and again. They just were never modern, if you get my meaning.

I also read these politico articles. They go into many areas, but I want to focus on the identity thing, since this is the second hint in my feed about it. On the one hand they say "you know what, how we missed that, rural bigots are also an identity", on the other hand they say "we might have focused too much on identity". So which one it is m'fers?

The idea that the working class rural America is a forgotten identity is really weird to me. I was apalled by the fact (cited in one of the two articles) Harris refers to all the different sets of oppressed people as "the groups". The "groups" are consequential because simply they are not the dominant group. All this is gaslighting because the Democrats now say, yes the cisgender straight Caucasian uneducated transphobic male is also an identity, and we should cater to him too. Which is too similar to MRA incel shit to take seriously.

Then, I don't even see black, brown, woman, trans, gay, intersex, as identities, rather than inherent features of people. The meanings they have are due to societal groupings alone. And you bet they have been political in the past and they are as hell political now. Anti-identitarian leftists, leftists who split "identity" from "class consciousness" by default seem weird to me in that effect, because for example slavery was a mode of exploitative production, ownership and enslavement of women was integral in pre-industrial economic systems. This "laborist" sterilization of the working class definition reduces a snapshot of British 19th century capitalism to the canon of analysis for every historical period and every type of social stratification? How do you even approach other type of societies entirely, like tribal societies? Like marxist anthropologists tried to and ended up with all kinds of upgrades to marxist theory, but some people do not want to hear about it because of purity.

This leads to paradox, when on one hand you say "wage labor is like modern slavery" but then you ditch all analyses that explore the long aftermath of actual slavery in society, or the deep roots that oppresion of women has in society including labor relations. As if the fact that modern American society has nerfed the feminist, civil rights, and gay liberation movements by providing an inclusivity capitalist narrative, is itself the true essence and historical origin of these groups historical movements and demands. Some go as far as rejecting the concept of human rights on supposedly marxist and/or antiimperialist premises.

This way you just erase decades of movements, activist, and scholarship, because race and gender has been branded to you as a neoliberal smokescreen, but I can't take serious an analysis like that.

To get back to the original topic, Democrats are doomed if they want to start catering to the low-brow rural population. Especially coining this demographic as yet another identity is preposterous and ridiculous. This is rock bottom for representative democracy of the late stage "politician marketing" flavor. And from a strategic perspective, the fascists have long beaten them to catering to this demographic, and such obvious, after the fact, flattery will only worsen the results, even if they decide to be machiavelian about it.

So much for the Democrats, RIP, start organizing at the local level, and don't forget that working class means strictly you are exploited for surplus value, and you can't understand this without intersectionality. Rather than "identity politics", race and gender are historical components of worker exploitation, and sticking to a naive definition of the working class does little more than undoing the collective history of these movements.

Last but not least, it seems that blaming a specific identity is trending, and that would be trans people. We get several Democrat lawmakers speaking out the same ignorant shit as conservative conspiracy nutjobs. I won't go in depth here, but this is just scapegoating. Not to mention, all those who complain about identity politics they either think trans acceptance is "too much", or upon inquiry they also oppose gay marriage and are just centrist bigots. This new wave of Democrat anti-trans scapegoating only helps normalize Republican misinformation and bring it to the mainstream.

The two lines of news show that Democrats want to cater to the the straight white man and throw other groups under the bus, because this is just political marketing. They need the people to get the votes and serve their own fucking lobbies. Have no doubt about it. If they lose elections over Black Lives Matter and trans rights, they will move the goal posts more and more to the right, until they are indistinguishable from fascists. I was not with the camp against Harris vote on the election, but gauging Democrats behavior after their loss, I eventually think that people were right to shit on them, even at the cost of a fascist dictatorship in the US.

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I am interested in a community of people of faith who are at the same time on the political left, particularly anarchism, and lgbtq+ inclusion, particularly transgender. I am kinda sick and tired of atheists harassing everyone religious. I don't care much about the philosophy surrounding it, it is just that their collective behavior is arguably harassment, not a bit different to typical transphobic harassment about delusions etc. I believe that freedom of religious belief is a very basic right for people of all convictions. At the moment there is a huge divide: religious lgbtq+ people who are also anarchist (and might have been ostracized by their religious community on top of everything else) have no place to go without facing atheist harassment, and this is how there is no place to discuss faith together with politics and identity. So, here goes, I want to start this discussion with people who would like to see sth like this happening.

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Recently some group published an interactive, javascript based, website, to graphically explore data broker companies. This is just one group doing similar research work in different fields. I applaud the cause, but I take issue with the format.

An organization, that is, or group that frequently needs to provide structured data. In turn, developers might want said data, in order to deliver apps.

Interactive websites seem flaky to me, since no one guarantees they will still be there two years from now. I think it is only natural that groups doing important work would do a great service to communities if they served a RESTful or GraphQL API, depending on the complexity of the data.

But even in this case, when the group stops serving the API let alone be coerced to stop, or access to the API is blocked, this great service will be discontinued. Obviously the raw data must be shared for this to work.

Lately I was thinking about these edge cases. Journalists or activists doing this type of work may lack the sophistication to structure the data in useful ways. They probably do the journalist work and then have some developer they either hire, or is part of the group, make the important backend decisions, including structuring the raw data.

Regarding the retention of the data in case the group disbands or goes away, there are some existing solutions like torrenting or IPFSing the datasets. Both methods can help the data be online forever, but what about content integrity and versions? They would still need a static webpage or something to provide the hashes, and IPFS is by its design not very well suited for versioning.

There are no clean cut guidelines on how to go about this, or at least, what is a handful of good ways to go about this, so that a current or future group can rely on to deliver this type of work.

Another idea that popped into my head is that the ecosystems of repositories and package managers are very mature in all major distributions. Structured data could be uploaded to distro repositories (including FDroid and the like), just like any other software with underlying data structures. Hashing and versioning would be then natively taken care of by existing package managers. But the question still remains, what data structure is the best for this kind of relational data, and what kind of API should best be exposed to the user.

So, if you feel like it, I would like to hear your thoughts on:

  1. Skills and preparations required by investigative teams to publish structured data to the world.
  2. Assessment of the torrenting and IPFS solutions to ensure recovery of the data in perpetuity.
  3. Assessment of the RESTful or GraphQL format to disseminate investigative data.
  4. Assessment of using established package managers and repositories to disseminate investigative data.
  5. Ideas on what should be eventually exposed to the user, who can be assumed to be a developer as well.
  6. Further comments.

I would be glad to get some feedback on these thoughts.

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Is this for real? I can't draw no other conclusion than US defaultism in trans activism gives a free pass to TERF politics in Europe. This kind of news from Germany cannot mean anything good.

According to Wikipedia:

In 2019, the German Language Association VDS (Verein Deutsche Sprache; not to be confused with the Association for the German Language Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache, GfdS) launched a petition against the use of the gender star, saying it was a "destructive intrusion" into the German language and created "ridiculous linguistic structures". It was signed by over 100 writers and scholars.[11] Luise F. Pusch, a German feminist linguist, criticises the gender star as it still makes women the 'second choice' by the use of the feminine suffix.[12] In 2020, the Gesellschaft für deutsche Sprache declared Gendersternchen to be one of the 10 German Words of the Year.[13]

In 2023, the state of Saxony banned the use of gender stars and gender gaps in schools and education, which marks students' use of the gender stars as incorrect.[14][15] In March 2024, Bavaria banned gender-neutral language in schools, universities and several other public authorities.[16][17] In April 2024, Hesse banned the use of gender neutral language, including gender stars, in administrative language.[18]

Here are the original Wikipedia references

  1. "Der Aufruf und seine Erstunterzeichner". Verein Deutsche Sprache (in German). 6 March 2019. Retrieved 5 April 2020.
  2. Schlüter, Nadja (22 April 2019). ""Das Gendersternchen ist nicht die richtige Lösung"". Jetzt.de (in German). Retrieved 5 April 2020. "GfdS Wort des Jahres" (in German). Retrieved 13 December 2020.
  3. Jones, Sam; Willsher, Kim; Oltermann, Philip; Giuffrida, Angela (2023-11-04). "What's in a word? How less-gendered language is faring across Europe". The Guardian. ISSN 0261-3077. Retrieved 2024-04-05.
  4. "Schools in Saxony are forbidden to use gender language". cne.news. Retrieved 2024-04-05.

I got into this rabbit hole from this news article

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Guðlaugur Þór Þórðarson, the Minister for the Environment and Natural Resources of Iceland, has announced a new regulation that requires toilets to be labelled based on facilities rather than gender. This change follows a query from Andrés Ingi Jónsson, a Pirate Party MP who has been advocating for the issue since 2020.

The regulation mandates that gender-neutral toilets must be provided wherever separate women’s and men’s toilets are available.

“For those of us who haven’t experienced it personally, this might seem minor, but it’s crucial for people to know whether they can access a toilet at work or school. It really matters,” says Andrés Ingi Jónsson, highlighting the importance of this change.

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