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Summary

Historians suggest Democrats might have fared better against Donald Trump by embracing the economic issues championed by Senator Bernie Sanders, who has long pushed for a focus on “bread-and-butter” concerns for working-class voters.

Despite Kamala Harris’s progressive policies, polls showed Trump was favored on economic issues, particularly among working-class and Hispanic voters.

Historian Leah Wright Rigueur argued that Sanders’ messaging on economic struggles could be key for future Democratic strategies.

Sanders himself criticized the party for “abandoning” the working class, which he said has led to a loss of support across racial lines.

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[-] Vespair@lemm.ee 76 points 6 days ago

If we had run Bernie in 2016, Trump would still be nothing but a punchline.

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[-] A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 32 points 5 days ago

If democrats were capable of listening we wouldnt have two terms of donald trump.

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 17 points 5 days ago

Not even a single term

Hell, if the US could finally get rid of this first past the pole, winner takes all system, the democratic and Republican parties wouldn't even exist anymore, they'd both be replaced by better parties

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 39 points 6 days ago

You guys need to think of the DNC as more of a for profit business.

From that perspective, they were super successful in making so much money.

Remember, there can be more money made when you intentionally lose, similar to butch in pulp fiction.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 20 points 6 days ago

Every single text i got had donate in the first sentence. The DNC had a very singular message this cycle and it was donate. It shows the flaws in the system and it shows the flaws in the party. Until i start seeing serious conversations about serious fuckin issues like repealing Citizens United, universal healthcare and proper privacy laws I can no longer consider the DNC a serious organization.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 7 points 5 days ago

And just to clarify, gender identity, abortion rights, reproductive rights all fall into privacy for me. It's only my business.

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[-] AidsKitty@lemmy.world 28 points 5 days ago

Ive always liked Bernie. Bernie demonstrates the Democratic party would much rather lose with Kamala than win with Bernie. Never thought I would see them campaigning with Dik Cheney, the mask fell away for a few moments on that one.

[-] GrymEdm@lemmy.world 7 points 5 days ago

I legit could not believe they accepted that endorsement at all, much less ran with it as hard as they did.

[-] bquintb@midwest.social 21 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

I usually vote along with the democrats, but neoliberals are so freaking elitist and clueless. As much as it pisses me off that I'm going to have to deal with whatever fascist bs Trump has in store, it's really quite nice seeing them get their asses handed to them by a populist... It's just too bad it wasn't a left-wing populist.

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[-] CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world 55 points 6 days ago

I don't really know how the Democratic Party is expected to steer out of the center-right ditch, though. With all the dark money calling the shots, I mean. Bernie is the exception that proves the rule.

The electorate is actually far more progressive on the issues than the corporate media lets on. But the minute the Democratic Party were to embrace Bernie-style positions? You can bet that not only the "liberal media" would declare this sO vErY eXtReMe, but all the big money would be spending against them, and spending against them hard. Think it's bad now where crypto, Elon, and the Washington Post are tilting against the Democrats? Imagine they actually embraced progressives....

Not saying I love it, I just don't know what the answer is.

[-] wellheh@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 6 days ago

At this point maybe the democrats just need to embrace these hard positions and normalize them. The gop doesn't appear to care how radical their stances are and they get votes regardless of the racism. Trump's whole shtick has been normalizing bad behavior and gaslighting the other party into thinking any wrong they do is a gotcha- they're operating on two very different rulesets.

[-] DiagnosedADHD@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Democrats (DNC and donors) don't want to win with a progressive. They'd rather have Trump. They'll never embrace anyone like Bernie.

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[-] Kichae@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 days ago

The thing is, we've seen what the working class wants: Not concrete policy that will help them, but to have their feelings of struggle, outrage, and anger acknowledged and reflected back to them.

The Democrats could have radical pro-worker, pro-working-class reforms in their policy platform, but if what they're broadcasting is "things are great" energy, or "there are bigger fish to fry" energy, then they're going to get ignored.

The Democrat's talking points have focused on the health of American institutions. That's the thing they've repeatedly signalled is most important to them.

It's not what's most important to most households. It's actually pretty far removed from the top of their lists of concerns.

[-] PugJesus@lemmy.world 13 points 6 days ago

The electorate is actually far more progressive on the issues than the corporate media lets on. But the minute the Democratic Party were to embrace Bernie-style positions? You can bet that not only the “liberal media” would declare this sO vErY eXtReMe, but all the big money would be spending against them, and spending against them hard. Think it’s bad now where crypto, Elon, and the Washington Post are tilting against the Democrats? Imagine they actually embraced progressives…

It would be worse than you imagine. Wouldn't need the liberal media or the big money to move against it. People don't translate policy positions into support for candidates. They vote on vibes, and any candidate espousing consistently left-wing positions sounds like a dangerous socialist to a good 2/3s of the country.

Not saying I love it, I just don’t know what the answer is.

Education. We just signed over the official apparatus to the fascists, though. So, uh, it's gonna be much harder than it should have been.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 12 points 6 days ago

The "vibes" campaign by the Dems just failed hard.

And why is it that only the right should get to move "vibes" by sticking with extreme positions? Especially as things like universal health care, public housing, strong unions or debt free education are just normal in other western countries.

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[-] boaratio@lemmy.world 31 points 6 days ago
[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 33 points 6 days ago

Despite Kamala Harris’s progressive policies...

Wait, I am not trying to be (overly) mean here but what where they? I just remember her running on a status quo platform.

[-] Microplasticbrain@lemm.ee 23 points 6 days ago

If she was running on a progressive platform I never heard about it

[-] TheFriar@lemm.ee 13 points 6 days ago

She was progressive by saying she would saying she would have a Republican in her cabinet. So…”progress…?”

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[-] Jumpingspiderman@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

Here were some progressive policies promoted by Harris, which we aren't going to get because people thought Trump would get them cheaper eggs:

Launch a National Health Equity Initiative to address health challenges that disproportionately impact Black men. Take on pharmacy benefit managers Have Medicare cover in-home health care Extend the $35 cap on insulin and $2,000 cap on out-of-pocket spending to all Americans Eliminate the filibuster to restore the Roe v. Wade precedent on abortion Ban corporate price gouging on food and groceries Will not raise taxes for those earning less than $400,000 a year Roll back Trump’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans Enact a minimum tax for billionaires Increase the tax rate on long-term capital gains to 28% for those earning at least $1 million a year Expand the child tax credit to $6,000 for families with newborns Quadruple the tax on stock buybacks Provide first-time homebuyers with up to $25,000 for down payments, plus more generous support for first-generation homeowners Build 3 million more rental units and affordable homes Outlaw new forms of price fixing by corporate landlords Pass the Equality Act to protect LGBTQ+ Americans from discrimination Ensure that no former president has immunity for crimes committed while in office Require Supreme Court justices to comply with ethics rules Impose term limits on Supreme Court justices Raise the minimum wage Eliminate taxes on tips Establish paid family and medical leave End sub-minimum wages for tipped workers and people with disabilities Double the number of apprenticeships End four-year college degree requirements for federal jobs where appropriate Limit businesses from "unnecessarily" using criminal arrest histories, convictions, and credit scores in employment decisions Sign the pro-labor PRO Act and the Public Service Freedom to Negotiate Act Generate 25 million new business applications Expand the startup expense tax deduction for new businesses from $5,000 to $50,000 Increase the share of federal contract dollars going to small businesses Provide 1 million loans to Black entrepreneurs, fully forgivable up to $20,000 Legalize recreational marijuana Enact a regulatory framework for cryptocurrency Extend the expired Affordable Connectivity Program to support internet access

[-] BallsandBayonets@lemmings.world 21 points 6 days ago

Glancing over that word salad, it looks like a pile of bandaids on capitalism.

Here's a list of actually progressive things that would do what her list would be pretending to do and more:

Universal Healthcare. Wealth cap. Breaking up any corporation that is in more than one industry. Universal education. Complete medical and student debt forgiveness. Complete cessation of aid to governments engaged in war crimes. Complete eradication of for-profit weapon manufacturing. Universal Basic Income.

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[-] Deceptichum@quokk.au 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

A regulatory framework for the scam known as crpyto is “progressive”?

Yeha America really needs to embrace leftism and not this “progressive” neolib branding.

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[-] M0oP0o@mander.xyz 11 points 6 days ago

Wait.... I have seen these before. Like 10 plus years ago it feels like.

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[-] GlobalCompatriot@lemm.ee 11 points 6 days ago

You know, the one where she said we need to accept Palestinian deaths so we can get cheaper bread.

[-] JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago

Democrats should have listened to Bernie Sanders, Captain Obvious says.

[-] badbytes@lemmy.world 35 points 6 days ago

His message hasn't changed. They don't only not listen, but actively oppose his message.

[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 21 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

It seems to me that a lot of people are confused about what "supporting the working class" would actually mean.

It wouldn't mean that the working class would start thinking like Democrats. It will mean that Democrats will start thinking like the working class. Think about the implications, they're not all what you want them to be.

Probably worth it, though.

[-] inv3r510n@lemmy.world 22 points 6 days ago

The implications, like supporting a higher minimum wage, universal healthcare, labor protections, unionization, and ending the forever wars?

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[-] Landsharkgun@midwest.social 11 points 5 days ago

Like the other out-of-touch libs, when you say 'working class' what you mean is 'racist white rural people'.

Half my coworkers were either born outside the US or are second-gen. My national just voted to affirm and support trans rights. Turns out, people who work for money are working class. That includes, well, everybody.

This misunderstanding is why the Dems 'moved to the right' this election. They still think it's 1950. Moving to the right doesn't make you appealing to the working class, it makes you appealing to bigots.

Literally just make life easier for the working poor. That is all you need to do.

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[-] chemical_cutthroat@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago

Lmao. Historians.

I should have gone to bed at a reasonable time last night instead of doom scrolling, historians say.

[-] problematicPanther@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago

Could have had a bad bitch.

[-] abbotsbury@lemmy.world 4 points 5 days ago

If Democrats could hear criticism, they'd be very upset.

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