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[-] FarraigePlaisteach@lemmy.world 17 points 2 months ago

That website is propaganda group that both fuels and funds far-right movements. They are not journalists, but an influencing machine. The better subs have banned their links.

If you want to read about our asshat politician and this story in particular, it's covered here: https://irishcycle.com/2025/07/05/td-asks-about-making-high-vis-compulsory-for-all-pedestrians-cyclists-and-users-of-school-transport/

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

In other news, the Irish accidentally elected a car.

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

That tracks.

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 10 points 2 months ago

It should be noted that in rural areas, many roads are unlit and quite winding. Ireland has very high road density with lots of minor roads. Many people walk on these roads which have no path. Use of lights and reflective or hi vis clothing is sensible and already common.

[-] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 6 points 2 months ago

I can understand. Once I encountered a jogger wearing a completely black outfit in a dark unlit road. The only reason I saw the guy was because there were a few reflective bits on his shoes. That was a nice scare.

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 1 points 2 months ago

Horrible. I hope your car wasn't traumatized. Let's call these "pedestrians" by their true name: terrorists! Because that's what they are. Terrorists, creeping around our roads at night, dressed in black, assaulting our vehicles, eating our cats and dogs.

[-] alphabethunter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Why are you being downvoted? I can't believe people are not able to see the clear sarcasm in your comment.

[-] b_tr3e@feddit.org 2 points 2 months ago

There all terrorists, obviously. Terrorists! Or maybe they can't take the idea of a traumatized car. But it happens, I'm telling you. It's the truth! Our cars are being traumatized, our dogs and cats are eaten, it happens every day!

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 months ago

I've come across similar cyclists, no lights, no reflectors, dark clothing. Just borderline suicidal.

[-] dogslayeggs@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Is wearing hi vis clothing sensible on country roads with no sidewalks? Yes.

Should it be mandatory just to go out on a walk? No. How about we lower speed limits on those roads or create safer roads. Walking is a basic human right (or moving about in whatever way you need to if your body doesn't allow you to walk). Driving a car is not.

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 3 points 2 months ago

Those roads already have a lower speed limit. I think the geography of the landscape and the neighbouring properties does not allow them to be more visible without loss of scenery.

Roads are designed for transport. Cars can be fatal. It's all well and good to say we should be safer but is wearing appropriate clothing when walking in a shared car pedestrian zone really be that onerous?

We already require the cars to have multiple safety standards to aid pedestrians and visibility. Cyclists are required to wear helmets in many places etc.

I am finding it odd that many comments talk about pedestrian freedom, yet jaywalking is illegal in many places but not in Ireland, where people can use their personal judgement and the cars are held responsible.

[-] gonzo-rand19@moist.catsweat.com 1 points 2 months ago

When my dad visited Dublin and the surrounding area, they were driving by another car on a road with a car they rented and the road was so narrow that the side mirror got knocked right off.

When they returned the car, the rental company was completely nonplussed because it happens so often. Afterwards, they started noticing that a lot of the cars had their mirror missing on the same side.

[-] AstaKask@lemmy.cafe 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sounds like Ireland should invest some of that money they earn from being a tax-haven into some proper infrastructure.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

Sounds like the speed limit should be 20km/h then.

[-] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

12mph?! Never traveled rural areas? It would take me over 2 hours to get to my camp in the boonies and 26 hours to pick up my kids.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

Wanna go faster? Get your politicians to build you safer roads. Pedestrian lives are not expendable.

[-] Jajcus@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 months ago

Safer roads would mean a lot of environment destruction in such case (and very high cost, for the low traffic there). I would rather wear some hi-vis and keep narrow rural roads rural and narrow.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca -1 points 2 months ago

I don't appreciate using the environment as a cudgel to entrench the expendability of human lives in the altar of the fast car.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I don't think you've ever been to a rural area, have you?

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

Ooooo urban people and their weird "don't kill pedestrians" ideas.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

Yeah, I'm guessing you've never been anywhere properly rural. The distances involved are huge, and there are almost no pedestrians, as going anywhere but the neighbour's place would mean walking for hours.

Putting in footpaths on every road would be an absurd amount of money.

[-] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 months ago

Are we still talking about rural and periurban Ireland?

[-] huppakee@feddit.nl 0 points 2 months ago

Use of lights and reflective or hi vis clothing is sensible and already common.

Thanks for sharing, would you say accidents happen enough to make this mandatory?

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone -1 points 2 months ago

Like seatbelts, of it saves lives and is harmless, then why not. If no lives are saved, nobody is worse off. If one life is saved, it's worth it. Like seatbelts laws, the idea is a change in thinking not to fine people for non compliance.

I doubt it will become mandatory. It seems more like a thought bubble. Ireland used to have very high road death figures but has worked hard to change that.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Wouldn't reevaluating the road system to meet pedestrian needs better be a far saner response than trying to mandate everyone wear special clothing? Maybe convert a few of those roads from vehicle to pedestrian only and explore options to provide better lighting on both.

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 2 months ago

I think the why not is anyone leaving their house without the required vest could be ticketed. Even walking to a car. I know my wife would not be keen on having to wear a reflective vest over a fancy dress and I certainly would not want to wear one over a plain white tee or no shirt at all on hot days hiking somewhere.

[-] x00z@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Seems like subsidizing free hi vis jackets is the way to go then, and let people decide.

[-] hitmyspot@aussie.zone 1 points 2 months ago

What about kids? Should we let the parent decide or,.if it's a blatantly obvious way to protect them, should we prosecute parent that don't suitably dress their kids for the risk? Or require it. Personally, o don't have a problem with making it a requirement. Knowing the Irish gardaî, of expect light enforcement.

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

“Jay walker” propaganda all over again.

[-] Bruncvik@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Very common in Ireland. The main contribution of the RSA (Road Safety Authority) over the past few years seems to be handing out high-vis elements to pedestrians and cyclists. The media is antropomorphising cars instead of blaming drivers, to the extent that statistics on the causes of crashes aren't being collected.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I mean, making sure drivers can see you seems like a very sensible thing to do. I've come across pedestrians on unlit roads, and any sort of high visibility clothing or a light makes them visible from multiple times the distance.

There's a reason cyclists are required to have lights outside of daylight hours where I live.

[-] betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Pedestrians call for mandatory glasses for all driving members of parliament.

[-] Kornblumenratte@feddit.org 3 points 2 months ago

I'd propose to introduce a pedestrian's licence, too. Can't have these people just run around without any proper training!

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 2 months ago

So now our deference to cars is such that we all have to carry an extra garment just to walk the streets? That seems fine. /s

[-] RamblingPanda@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 months ago

Sure, make it a problem of everyone else. Just please, please, don't inconvenience the car enthusiasts! 😭

What about streets that don't endanger others? Bike lanes that don't cross streets? Dunno, make car drivers drive careful?

[-] 9point6@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Well if we're going to unnecessarily inconvenience a group of people, I think a national 5mph limit would have a better effect

[-] zr0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 months ago

He is not wrong. Makes it way easier to hit pedestrians.

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[-] umbraroze@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 months ago

Maybe they should also make it mandatory for pedestrians to carry rocket-propelled grenade launchers, and be trained in their operation.

This would hopefully make car drivers to exercise more caution.

/sarcasm that has an unfortunate chance of becoming reality in a few decades, you just watch

[-] Etterra@discuss.online 0 points 2 months ago

I recommend it. I can't tell you how many times I've had to slam on the breaks because some jackass decided to cross on the middle of a dark street in dark clothes.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

How DARE people move around the landscape in the traditional way that humans have been locomoting for tens of thousands of years without considering YOUR needs!

(That is, if you can't see what's in front of your car, you need to slow down.)

e: typo

[-] Etterra@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago

It's inexcusable in an urbanized area, there are crosswalks for a reason. We all have to share this wasteland, Andy while yeah it needs improvements, you're just making it worse by not at least trying to play nice with others.

[-] SwingingTheLamp@midwest.social -1 points 2 months ago

Hi-viz doesn't do anything. There's no statistical difference in casualty rates between people wearing it and people not. Consider that drivers routinely plow into the back of emergency vehicles stopped by the side of the highway, completely wrapped in hi-viz, reflective material, and with million-lumen flashing lights. This is victim-blaming nonsense.

[-] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago

Not necessarily true. Hi-viz markings on vehicles have proven to reduce crashes by as much as 20%.

I don’t see why the same logic couldn’t be applied to crashes involving people.

[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 months ago

I'd love to see a source for that claim, because I do drive in rural areas with no street lighting, and high vi's makes a person visible from multiple times the distance.

Also, people driving on the back roads tend to be paying a bit more attention.

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