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submitted 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) by admiralpatrick@lemmy.world to c/unpopularopinion@lemmy.world

Edit 2025-01-13: LW has indicated they will be clarifying these rules soon. In the mean time, the community will remain locked until those are updated and deemed acceptable.


So the LW Team put out an announcement on new, site-wide moderation policy (see post link). I've defended, to many a downvote, pretty much every major decision they've made, but I absolutely cannot defend this one. In short, mods are expected to counter pretty much every batshit claim rather than mod it as misinformation, trolling, attack on groups, etc.

My rebuttal (using my main account) to the announcement: https://dubvee.org/comment/3541322


We're going to allow some "flat earth" comments. We're going to force some moderators to accept some "flat earth" comments. The point of this is that you should be able to counter those comments with words, and not need moderation/admin tools to do so.

(emphases mine)

Me: What if, to use the recent example from Meta, someone comes into a LGBT+ community and says they think being gay is a mental illness and /or link some quack study? Is that an attack on a group or is it "respectful dissent"?

LW: A lot of attacks like that are common and worth refuting once in awhile anyway. It can be valuable to show the response on occasion


I understand what they're trying to address here (highly encourage you to read the linked post), but the way they're going about it is heavy handed and reeks of "both sides"-ing every community, removing agency from the community moderators who work like hell to keep these spaces safe and civil, and opening the floodgates for misinformation and "civil" hate speech. How this new policy fits with their Terms of Service is completely lost to me.

I'll leave the speculation as to whether Musk dropped LW a big check as an exercise to the reader.

For now, this community is going dark in protest and I encourage other communities who may disagree with this new policy to join. Again, I understand the problem that is trying to be addressed, but this new policy, as-written, is not the way to do it.

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Voting has concluded on whether the community wants to remove the "Vote the opposite of the norm" voting guidelines.

As you can see in the screenshot below (or in the post), the results are a tie (only upvotes are counted, not the score). I abstained from the vote, leaving it entirely to the community, and I do not wish to cast the tie-breaking vote.

Since it is a tie, I'll treat that as a non-majority vote and, as such, we will keep the voting guidelines as they are.

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I'm pretty sure your heart is in the right place, but your argument is more than a little confusing.

The first paragraph clearly states that you believe sexual attraction is not a choice, and yet your argument is that "it's not a choice" is counter-productive.

If I understand it correctly, you're basically saying to re-frame the "it's a choice" narrative into something that affects straight people who oppose LGBT+ rights because they believe it is a choice that can be made?

e.g. If you're straight and then one day "choose" to be gay, but LGBT+ rights have been abolished, then the government has taken away your right to choose?

If I'm understanding correctly, all other points aside, it may be too confusing to have any good/meaningful impact.

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I would highly encourage anyone who feels sympathetic to this comment to read through the comment history and modlog of the person who made it before voting.

Combative, promoting violence, and generally using the Palestinian crisis to universally bash anyone they disagree with about anything while also derailing unrelated conversations. But yeah, it's the mods who are the problem. ๐Ÿ™„

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 36 points 6 months ago

If people would at least just check the community they're posting to, it would help immensely.

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Good truly unpopular opinion, and mostly good discussion on the points made. That said, I think pretty much all the points that were going to be made have been made. Locking thread.

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[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago

Good lord, I can't believe Lemmy World's federation queue is backed up for so many other instances because of stupid shit like this.

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 11 points 8 months ago

OP, the wording of the post is very confusing. Would you mind perhaps editing the post to clarify your opinion?

Thanks!

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 28 points 8 months ago

I think the distributed nature of the Fediverse is a big part of it. Lot of moderation policies at play, on a lot of different instances and some allow some real jerks to flourish and spill out elsewhere. I have zero tolerance for any of that garbage and am very quick with my block/ban buttons, but those are only effective on my own instance or the few communities I moderate outside that.

OP, best I can suggest is to report them. Most of the communities I interact with are pretty responsive to those kinds of reports and similarly don't tolerate it. Mods, unfortunately, can't read every comment and often rely on reports to know when to look deeper/take action.

And don't feel bad about blocking the jerks. There's a lot of them, lol.

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 11 points 9 months ago

As a GIF, that scene looks like it's cut from a horror movie lol.

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

Lol, yeah. I was referencing the plot (Elaine accidentally grabs her breast in the sauna and tells Jerry she think's they're fake).

Also, I tried to merge that exact GIF into the static image but failed miserably ๐Ÿ˜†.

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Since the world is so depressing right now, the mod team has agreed to rebrand this community as "Popular Opinions" to try to lighten the mood.

Instead of than sharing opinions that highlight our differences, share the ones that everyone can agree on.

The voting guidelines remain the same: Upvote if you agree it's a popular opinion, downvote if you think it's an unpopular opinion.

So, let's hear some things we can all get on board with!

In conclusion, happy April Fool's Day!

Note: This is a real rule change and will be enforced, but only for today as a fun change of pace. Normal rules return tomorrow.

Since we're all on differen timezones, we'll be running these rules midnight to 23:59 UTC.

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

More like a parasite since it's competing with the rest of your body for that oxygen.

[-] admiralpatrick@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Didn't think I'd see a useful Life Pro Tip here, but such it is. Going to give this a try.

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