Attacking legal gun owners is about as stupid as it gets.
These people paid for the privilege of owning these devices, followed safety courses that are no joke and are restricted to weapons that basically are only of use for hunting.
My understanding is we already have sensibly restrictive gun laws but a problem with illegal guns coming in from the States.
maybe we can apply tariffs until they fix that?|
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Should we ban hammers too?
Bad faith as it can get.
Should we ban cars too? They kill way more people than guns do in Canada.
We have age restrictions, licensing requirements, and laws that revoke your ability to drive under some conditions so ya. Just like gun laws.
Actually, not like gun laws because we don't ban "scary looking" models of vehicles. In generally we don't even ban provably deadlier models or limit their usage based on need. Any idiot can buy a jacked-up F150 and drive it on any public road.
We block new cars that have the wrong color indicator lights or the wrong color of seatbelt button. We block cars from other countries that don't have a preset to have the headlights on.
The jacked up F150 still has laws about its road worthiness, still can be taken off the road, especially if the operator does something stupid with it.
Ya the more you talk about it the BETTER it sounds that we get more specific laws about guns just like cars.
Lets add inspections when you cross provinces.
Restrict its use if too loud.
What if the operator shoots it too rapidly? Get a license revocation for a period of time maybe longer?
Sounds perfect!
are you crazy? there are TONS of models that are changed or cannot be sold in Canada due to a bunch of safety and environmental regulations
Please point out any. I know there are models that fit European standards instead of North American, but they aren't arbitrarily banned because "they look scary."
Well not, I assumed you were not literally meaning they are banned because they "look scary"... I assumed a more rational interpretation like they "do not meet safety standards and/or do not meet environmental standards"
I will not find examples to fit your strawman
It's not a strawman. I am all for gun safety, but the rifles that have been recently "prohibited" are simply models that "look scary" while their sporterized counterparts have had their classification unchanged.
Ok I guess it's time to be pedantic.
Please show me the part of the legislation that says the weapons are banned due to the fear their appearance may induce.
Or, are you willing to admit this is just your interpretation of a likely imperfect list the government came up with?
That's not how legislation is typically written. Anyways, just because someone states their purpose doesn't mean that's actually their intentions. If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
I'm more than happy to support any measures which actually increase safety, but prohibiting these guns is just for show. Putting forward ineffective legislation like this wastes political capital which could have instead been used to actually make our society safer.
If people start killing kids in school with them? Yeah, maybe we should consider it.
Ban those guns. We need to stop the violence!
As a gun owner I can say with certainty that the gun laws are already more than enough. Stricter laws would do nothing but punish law abiding citizens. We aren't 'murica. The only guns allowed to the public are simple rifles with 5 round mags at most. Anybody hell bent on causing violence would either use a melee weapon or be breaking the law to obtain/hack an automatic weapon or pistol with increased capacity despite being restricted.
It's a quick and easy way to sound 'tough on crime' for the average person who doesn't know better but in reality the only thing they can do is stop smuggling at the US border and that is a matter of Border Patrol budgeting and staff, not more laws. With the orange doofus demanding stricter border controls this is going to happen regardless of who gets voted in.
Ya, I’m a lefty city dweller who also happens to be a gun owner. If you have gone through what it takes to get your license I believe most people will realize that the rules are fine.
Edit: pre the most recent liberal bans I mean. The total ban on handguns and specific scary black guns is quite ridiculous. I own an SKS and I’m just waiting for it to be banned.
Now I have also been to several ranges where I meet morons and start to question if they should own guns, but I’m not worried about them committing crimes, I’m just worried about accidents.
This isn't for you, but anyone else who feels similarly to @sunshine@lemmy.ca
In Canada, all firearms are regulated and fall under 3 categories: Prohibited, Restricted, and Non-Restricted.
In order to possess or buy a firearm you must be licensed. To get a license you need to pass a firearms safety course, and pass a background check of varying severity depending on the class of license. History of mental issues? Good luck. Ex girlfriend doesn't want you owning guns? You'll be getting a suspension in the mail instead of a license. On top of that, most Canadians are ineligible for Prohibited and Restricted licenses which are limited to mainly the Military and Law-enforcement (with club owners and those grandfathered in being the notable exceptions).
The one category you do need to 'worry' about are those deemed Non-Restricted. Firearms that fit in this class are limited to long rifles that don't have an automatic action. Even here, cartridge capacity and transport options are limited. What that means is you won't see normies walking around with a rifle legally, except maybe under extraordinary circumstances and they are functionally limited to the point even street patrol officers outclass them. Someone with a longarm could indeed commit violent crimes, but the scope of the damage would be limited to 1 or 2 before reality prevented any further harm to the public. The same amount of damage a madman could inflict with a butcher knife.
Looking at the image and scenarios described in the article make it clear further laws are unnecessary. Almost all of those weapons in the photo are restricted to law enforcement use or flat out prohibited already. Some are clearly labelled "Restricted" but you can tell just by looking at them. Automatic action, or barrel short/sawed-off? Restricted/Prohibited. Magazine larger than your palm? Over capacity. There are only 1 or 2 actually Non-Restricted firearms presented and the issue with them is they have a conversion kit to change them from semi-auto to full-auto, which is already illegal.
If you see an article about an instance of tragic Canadian gun violence in the news the perpetrator will (or should if accuracy is intended) be described as in possession of illegal firearms. They (edit) almost always are. The issue is they weren't caught in possession of the illegal firearms before they acted, and more laws won't fix that.
That's a whole load of gaslighting and disinformation. You are not entitled to guns and they will be taken away.
If you see an article about an instance of tragic Canadian gun violence in the news the perpetrator will (or should if accuracy is intended) be described as in possession of illegal firearms. They always are.
Bulltshit the firearm used in the case of a father murdering his wife, his grandfather and himself a few months back was completely legal. Guns make it too easy to destroy the lives of others and their ownership is positively rated with violence, as Canada has one of the highest rates of gun violence in the OECD. Having legal guns makes it much easier for criminals to acquire them.
That's a whole load of gaslighting and disinformation. You are not entitled to guns and they will be taken away.
You're welcome to actually disprove anything instead of just putting your head in the sand. They'll never get taken away. They are too ingrained in our culture. The reality is we're only discussing how annoying the Government will be about them, not whether they'll be removed completely. You'd never see a Liberal Government ever again if that was the case.
the case of a father murdering his wife, his grandfather and himself a few months back
~~Citation please~~. Edit: NM I found it. The exception that proves the rule. Your only example is a case that emphasizes the limitations I already explained. It was a crime that happened to use a gun, not one that could only have happened because of it. Had the guy not had a firearm he would have done the same thing with something else because the firearm used is so neutered.
I'm pretty sure the handbun ban is more of allowing municipalities to make that decision for themselves no? Large metropolitan cities are much different than smaller rural communities and should be able to ban the ownership, sale and possession of them don't you think?
No... there is a total sale of handgun ban across canada right now. It's illegal to transfer possession of a handgun to someone else, period.
If you already own them you're still allowed to own them. Handguns are already and will always be restricted firearms which means they ONLY can be fired at the range and the rest of the time they have to quite literally be locked to an immovable object, in a case with a trigger lock or action lock.
You also have to keep the rcmp informed of their location at all times.
Legal handgun owners are not the ones causing gun violence in large cities.
I say this as a leftist gun owner. The liberals recent gun policies only punish law abiding citizens. It has no effect on the actual gun violence in canada.
>1% of gun violence is caused by legally acquired guns and registered gun owners. Of that 1%, 80% is suicide.
I understand that legal handgun owners are not the problem, but that it's the illegal ones coming over the border. The original bill the liberals wanted to pass did say that municipalities will be able to determine if they want to ban handgun ownership in their cities though if I'm not mistaken. I'm for any new laws that gives law enforcement more tools and regulations to curb illegal handgun smuggling into this country through.
Again, I understand that LEGAL handgun owners are not the problem, but municipalities should be able to make that call for themselves if handguns should be legal or not to own within their boundaries.
Ya it's weird the illegal gun owner's will continue to ignore those bylaws as well. I really don't understand the liberals war on legal
Guns being regulated at the federal level is part of the reason Canada's gun laws are so much better than the US where it's regulated by county. So at least the ban doesn't break that.
It's already a felony to illegally possess a firearm. So banning legally acquired ones is effectively putting legal gun owners in the crosshairs of the law, punishing lawful behavior.
😢
Funding border patrol and cargo inspection is going to be infinitely more effective.
Although the real reason we have a war on legal gun owners is realistically it's impossible to curb the flow of illegal firearms and by going arfter legal ownership, the liberals appear to be doing something to stop the violence. It's performative, they also know most liberal voters aren't gun owners.
They can ignore those bylaws, sure. But giving the police more tools and means to curb those illegal guns coming in is a good thing no?
Ya it is but banning handguns isn't giving the police more tools...
Criminals can steal handguns from legal owners...
Not really. Setting aside that atm the only legal handgun owners are the police/military, they have to be stored in a locked container anchored immovable to the home and their location known to the police at all times. IF someone broke in and somehow ripped the safe off the wall/open the minute the owner got home it would be immediately reported.
This is false. Before the ban RPAL holders could aquire certain handguns. They still had to keep them locked away 24/7 and inform the correct authorities if they ever moved it, like taking it to the range or changing apartments.
Considering those grandfathered in is too broad for the discussion because at that point someone somewhere has one still, no matter what we're talking about.
This ban still happened recently. There are lots of "legal" handgun owners who are not military/police. There is also the grandfathering of guns as well as certain exsecurity like brinks workers, and positions like game wardens in the MNR. All these employees still had to get their training and lisenceing just like anyone else through the same courses.
It's perfectly legal to own a handgun if you have an rpal.
The ban is on transfering ownership, ie selling one or gifting them.
So if you didn't already own one and have it registered with the rcmp, before the ban on sale. You can't legally get one.
What you might find interesting is police aren't required to get a PAL let alone an RPAL so technically police aren't legal gun owners. (Obviously they are exempted from laws surrounding carrying/possessing restricted firearms due to working in a "lawful profession" but they don't own the gun, and can't purchase them unless they also get a PAL/RPAL on there own volition 20 b)
I really don’t understand the liberals war on legal
Because legal gun still increase the rate of violence in a society. Criminals also have easier time acquiring them when the supply chain for them is right there.
How many criminals are running around with a hunting rifle stuffed in their pants?
Real strawman argument right there.
Youre the one claiming criminals are stealing legal firearms, the majority of which are hunting rifles. The vast majority of gun crime i read about is commited with handguns.
I see new laws being passed as being able to give law enforcement more tools and resources to intercept ones crossing the border, where they all come from tbh and to allow municipalities to ban handguns if they wish. Fuck America and that shit hole country. I myself understand the frustration with some gun owners as I myself want to get my PAL soon as I just bought my first home with my wife, and with the entire annexation threats going on. Wouldn't hurt for me to get practicing lol.
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