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submitted 1 month ago by FredVegrox@lemmy.world to c/vegan@lemmy.ml

Animal agriculture, roads and the transportation they are used for, climate change, and more from civilization contribute to many extinctions happening continually now. Humans do not need to be part of the destructiveness of their society to this world with their choices.

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[-] RecipeForHate1@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 month ago

I'm not really into this call for primitivism. We can use our technology to build environmentally intertwined (not just friendly) infrastructure and responsibly share Earth's resources, though not within the current mode of production.

[-] CarlMarks@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 month ago

I don't think they called for primitivism. For example, the glut of roads is from a car-centric, unplanned form of industrialized economy where capital is the only thing in control, not people planning for human need. "Traffic engineering", for example, is a lagging workaround for economic "plannin" that is just the anarchy of the market, of making it cheaper for companies to acquire workers by connecting residential to commercial and industrial, with all the latter 3 being created by a flurry of capitalists for their own ends.

It is true that planning and development is what is needed instead of capital-based anarchy, however. Addressing CO2 production requires first investing heavily in energy-intensive production, releasing even more CO2, but then being able to overalll decrease it via cleaner energy production, less need for travel, cleaner transit, less need to produce pointless commodities, etc.

[-] CarlMarks@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 1 month ago

The destructive force is capitalism, not simply humans being bad. Capitalism is a potent social force of its own, with capital, a non-human entity, at the helm. It is true that we can have a better world, one without animal agriculture, unnecessary roads, spiraling CO2, and so on. It will yake more than individuap consumer choices, however. The loudest voices that emphasize consumer choice as a mechanism for change are corporate-funded, backed by the worst exploitere and polluters to shift blame from the systemic profitable-driven enterprises they run to individuals who simply eat as they were taught growing up or need a car to get to their job.

Speaking to individuals alone is just one early step. The forces against us can just drop capital to drown out individual voices or coopt and redirect our concerns into ineffectual directions that do not challenge root causes and therefore keep them running. The only force we know that is strong enough to beat back capital is socialist organizing. To join with one another, read and learn together about the economic and social systems of oppression, and to grow and take direct action.

[-] jerkface@lemmy.ca -5 points 1 month ago

I'm into universal sterilization.

[-] CarlMarks@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 month ago

This is ecofascism and unacceptable

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