Of course they will. Liberalism is a center-right ideology, they're closer to fascists than leftists.

Democrats would rather lose their power "temporarily" than lose their influence permanently with a progressive.

We need a third party like four months ago. We are running out of time to challenge the standing democrats.

If you don't like trump and you didn't vote, then you're to blame.

My country has compulsory voting so nobody has an excuse

Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?

Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren't really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it's more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: "we're not the Republicans".

I'm not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.

To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We're all in the position we're in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn't be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn't stolen.

That being said, all these older people that don't seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don't know if it's because they're really old or out of touch or what. There's a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn't helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.

Okay but the point is they should've been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win.

and conspire to defeat whatever progressive is winning, even though they’ll be the only one that can defeat trump’s third term

We have two corporate parties, the status quo and the controlled opposition. They occasionally switch labels but until we get the corporate out, we will never have a real choice.

AOC is a clear choice, I'd say Bernie but I'm already tired of old people in power.

AOC is young, in touch with actual issues, in touch with the generations that are moving the economy, knows the struggle since she used to be a waitress and so far I haven't seen her go crazy on anyone else's agenda or buying stocks and enriching herself beyond measure like damn old hag Pelosi.

It'll be Shapiro or Blinken. Its still all about the $$ at the DNC. Nothing else matters.

If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we're fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.

I still feel like the dnc is going to lean heavy into Buttigieg. He's young, an eloquent speaker, a sharp debater. He clearly is down to play ball with the dnc establishment as they want him to (stepped aside for Biden to get a cabinet position) , and they hope that he's baggage free enough (Kamala and her Marijuana prosecutions) that progressives will vote for him. Yes, he's gay, and the hardcore magats won't like that, but I think older suburban voters would rather have someone sane that's gay than insane and straight.

This whole discussion has been a fascinating read in the comments.

But does anyone really think we're going to have another election? Much less a non-rigged election?

Yes, let's get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they'll do!

Really, how do we get viable third parties? How do we change the voting system to not have " spoiler candidates "? The binary is rotting us.

A lot more people than the DNC are blaming people for not voting Democrat & sticking us with this shithole administration. It was a huge no-brainer.

Yes AOC #2, but Kamala...

Writing was on the wall here. Need to get rid of the dinosaurs to have any chance at all.

But people are stupid and they DID vote wrong. They had a choice and they chose wrong.