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[-] The2b@lemmy.vg 69 points 1 week ago

Of course they will. Liberalism is a center-right ideology, they're closer to fascists than leftists.

[-] GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 19 points 1 week ago

It's just a way to get minorities to vote for you.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Their good old performative "Fight for Equality" which very pointedly ignores Wealth Inequality and Wealth Discrimination which curiously, are not only the biggest of them all by a huge margin, but are even the mechanisms that multiply many-fold the negative consequences (and hence the hurt) from other kinds of inequality and discrimination, AND stop the descendants of the victims of past discrimination from pulling themselves out from the hole past discrimination threw their ancestors into (in simple terms: if you were thrown into poverty by discrimination, the poverty keeps the hurt going even after the discriminatory actions have stopped and will make it very likely your descendants are stuck there and keep on suffering).

They're literaly doing the very minimum (when measured by actual effects) they can for Equality whilst claiming they're "Fighting for Equality" as loud as they can, in order to claim they're "helping the disfavored" and hence are there for the many not the few.

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[-] CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 45 points 1 week ago

Democrats would rather lose their power "temporarily" than lose their influence permanently with a progressive.

We need a third party like four months ago. We are running out of time to challenge the standing democrats.

[-] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 week ago

We already have multiple.

inb4 Russia: liberals will say that about any new party, too

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[-] Wanpieserino@lemm.ee 35 points 1 week ago

If you don't like trump and you didn't vote, then you're to blame.

My country has compulsory voting so nobody has an excuse

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[-] lobut@lemmy.ca 32 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Did you listen to the latest tiff between David Hogg and James Carville?

Carville really wants to push progressives out of the Democratic party while keeping their heads in the sand. I think his last rant was because Hogg wants to replace existing Dems (Carville says he should be replacing Republicans). However, I think Hogg wants to do this because these Dems aren't really doing anything and waiting to pick up the pieces from this Trump administration. I think agree more with Hogg that it's more important to show the people that you represent them rather than be like: "we're not the Republicans".

I'm not an entire fan of Hogg though, he seems a bit inconsistent but I agree with him here.

To be clear, people should have voted for the Democrats. We're all in the position we're in because not enough people did. Would you get what you want? No. But we still wouldn't be in the mess otherwise. I mean, assuming the election wasn't stolen.

That being said, all these older people that don't seem interested in fighting for their people need to be purged from the Democrats. I don't know if it's because they're really old or out of touch or what. There's a thirst for people to want representation for them to fight (as seen by the AOC and Bernie rallies). I think their inactivity isn't helping for the most part. Also, they need to get some more names out there.

[-] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I've been low-key following this drama and Hogg is out there spearheading the "tea party style takeover" that people have been saying the DNC needs. Carville, Schumer, and Co. seem to think that letting the republicans off the leash to blow up everything and hurt everyone is the best path forward. Put another way, the plan is to continue offering shitty corpocentrism and hope that voters prefer corpocentrism (clothed fascism) over naked fascism again in two and four years. Fuck that and fuck them, Hogg can take my energy and blast those fossilized assholes with a spirit bomb.

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[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 24 points 1 week ago

Okay but the point is they should've been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win.

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[-] xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 1 week ago

and conspire to defeat whatever progressive is winning, even though they’ll be the only one that can defeat trump’s third term

[-] 4grams@awful.systems 22 points 1 week ago

We have two corporate parties, the status quo and the controlled opposition. They occasionally switch labels but until we get the corporate out, we will never have a real choice.

[-] F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

AOC is a clear choice, I'd say Bernie but I'm already tired of old people in power.

AOC is young, in touch with actual issues, in touch with the generations that are moving the economy, knows the struggle since she used to be a waitress and so far I haven't seen her go crazy on anyone else's agenda or buying stocks and enriching herself beyond measure like damn old hag Pelosi.

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[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

It'll be Shapiro or Blinken. Its still all about the $$ at the DNC. Nothing else matters.

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[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 1 week ago

If Josh Shapiro wins the nomination I will not vote for him, I cannot stand this nonsense, this is absolute insanity. How the hell are modern Democrats less progressive than FDR (and he was a massive racist), we are a century ahead yet we are centuries behind. Now we're fighting over which fascist is more palatable so when can whitewash them and call them progressive. I voted for Kamala in 2024 but NOT AGAIN, I will NOT vote for another mild flavor of fascism lite.

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[-] Kcap@lemmy.world 18 points 1 week ago

I still feel like the dnc is going to lean heavy into Buttigieg. He's young, an eloquent speaker, a sharp debater. He clearly is down to play ball with the dnc establishment as they want him to (stepped aside for Biden to get a cabinet position) , and they hope that he's baggage free enough (Kamala and her Marijuana prosecutions) that progressives will vote for him. Yes, he's gay, and the hardcore magats won't like that, but I think older suburban voters would rather have someone sane that's gay than insane and straight.

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Then it will be 2016 all over again

Leftist leadership or the status quo are the options

And only the rich want the status quo anymore

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[-] dryfter@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago

This whole discussion has been a fascinating read in the comments.

But does anyone really think we're going to have another election? Much less a non-rigged election?

[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 18 points 1 week ago

The system was already rigged, of course. Electoral college, absentee cancelations, felons disqualified. It was broken before so even if things stayed the same (which they won't) it'll still be broken.

I do expect elections to continue. Just much less honestly.

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[-] alekwithak@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Yes, let's get preemptively angry at those not currently in power for something we assume they'll do!

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[-] tamal3@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

Really, how do we get viable third parties? How do we change the voting system to not have " spoiler candidates "? The binary is rotting us.

[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 23 points 1 week ago

You go out and work in the primaries.

Look at AOC. The guy she ousted was a mainstay of the NY Democratic Party for decades.

If you wait until the general election you get no input.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 10 points 1 week ago

Not by going directly for a moonshot at the presidency. You spend years getting people involved in local politics, then work your way up. State and local governments have power, even if it's "boring".

That or a coup or other violent, abrupt, wildcards.

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[-] octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 13 points 1 week ago

Yes AOC #2, but Kamala...

Writing was on the wall here. Need to get rid of the dinosaurs to have any chance at all.

[-] lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 13 points 1 week ago

A lot more people than the DNC are blaming people for not voting Democrat & sticking us with this shithole administration. It was a huge no-brainer.

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[-] projektilski@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 week ago

But people are stupid and they DID vote wrong. They had a choice and they chose wrong.

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[-] Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Its never about what the majority wants. Its what minority wants. They are fat satisfied one percenters and the only thing they hate worse than a maga is letting the little people have a choice.

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