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submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by ptz@dubvee.org to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

I get it. There's some real jerks around here. Whether they're constantly argumentative, downright rude, always acting in bad faith, just plain trolls, overly opinionated on every subject, have the social skills of a Nausicaan, or whatever - the Fediverse is growing, and it's bound to attract toxicity in one way or another.

This post is mostly a PSA for anyone who's feeling like leaving because they're tired of dealing with things like that. I've been there several times myself, I know exactly how you feel, and I'm tired of seeing good people harassed off the platform.

Just remember that blocking is a very powerful way to stay in control of your experience. Be it a set of users, me specifically, a list of keywords, a whole community, or an entire instance: if it's causing you nothing but stress, hit that block button and see if that improves your experience here. Unlike the alien site, there is no limit to the number of entities you can block; you're in control.

Another thing to keep in mind is different instances have different vibes, and the experience can totally differ depending on the instance's moderation and federation policy.

In conclusion, your experience here can be what you make of it; don't be afraid to just block the parts that stress you out. You're not "creating an echo chamber" as everyone likes to say (often in bad faith) -- you're just taking care of yourself.

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Also, voyager lets you tag users which is a godsend.

If I notice someone who is unnecessarily rude, dodgy opinions, bigoted or something, I add a tag, and if I see it is constant repetitive behaviour, I’ll block them.

[-] donuts@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

Thunder too, installed it specifically for user tags!

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 week ago

I hope they bring that to Lemmy overall, it will make for a much better experience for everyone. Mobile is really hard to mod from.

[-] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There is a voyager frontend on web. But I think it’s only a mobile view https://vger.app/posts/lemm.ee/all

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

No it works on desktop as well.

[-] donuts@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Would be a great selling point over centralized alternatives too. "take control of your own experience" and all that. Reddit will never be able to achieve that level

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

Reddit Executive Suite (RES) was amazing for that. I've been gone so long that I'm not sure it works anymore.

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I never realized that Thunder has something for it, because there is zero UI for it as far as i can see. There is just the list in the settings that you can manually add people to. This doesnt do anything however... I expected the label to show up next to the username or something but it just doesnt.

[-] donuts@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

If you long press on a comment for actions and then hit "user", you see the option to add a label at the bottom of that menu.

A bit hidden, I agree, but very useful.

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[-] SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 1 week ago

You can also track aggregate up and down votes per user! You're a solid +13 for me, you're cool.

[-] StarlightDust@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

I recently had someone I already had tagged as "racist" replying to me with some misogyny, clicked on his profile and found him defending the R slur. Because instances are smaller, it's actually feasible to message instance admins when there is someone like that too.

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[-] Nima@leminal.space 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

it does? i don't see that option anywhere.

edit: of course the second I comment I find the option lol

second edit: hit the settings wheel at the bottom. its on that page.

[-] UndulyUnruly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Huh? Could you kindly tell where the option is? I can’t find it?

[-] sprite0@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

you have to enable it first under settings-> User Tags and once it's on you can long press a user name.

[-] UndulyUnruly@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

You’re the real MVP, thank you very much!!

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[-] haverholm@kbin.earth 20 points 1 week ago

I'd add "report" to that advice. If somebody is outright being jerks, that is probably against your instance's rules — and if it isn't, there are plenty others to choose from.

Blocking helps you, but reporting people (or instances) that are just here to troll will help others.

[-] fxomt@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

I read all reports on my instance (i get reports on our users and from our users, too; so i see quite a lot) rest assured, all your reports actually do something.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 14 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

True. If it's report-worthy, absolutely. But there are certainly accounts that aren't violating any rules but can still be a source of stress. Those are often the "rules lawyer" type who knows exactly how to stay right on the line without crossing it.

Counterpoint is that if that person is finally banned, they're 9 times out of 10 just going to spin up a new alt and start back up with the same shtick. If everyone just blocks them, they're just shouting into the wind wondering why no one's taking their bait. I dislike how Reddit had "shadow bans", but I can see how they would be effective when used surgically.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 7 points 1 week ago

Temp bans (a couple of days), work too. If they're actually trolling, they usually won't come back. Then just temp ban the next alt if they do, repeat.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 5 points 1 week ago

Good to know, and yeah, kind of matches what I've observed. I tend to permaban outright trolls, but yeah, they usually spin up a new account and never come back to that, so it's probably overkill. I guess I just don't like leaving the door open for them to come back...just in case lol.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 week ago

For me, I temp ban because it makes it more easy to do. I don't wrestle with whether or not I'm doing the right thing. Instead, I know it's only temp so no one was harmed if I make a mistake. It's more for me to take out the trolls early on.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago

I agree with this 100%. The mods can't get rid of the bad guys if they don't know about them. There are very few mods for relatively big communities, help them out if you see something going bad. They might not agree with you, but it's still good practice if people aren't following the rules.

[-] catloaf@lemm.ee 5 points 1 week ago

Agreed. I report bad behavior where I see it. I've only blocked one person, becausen they took a downvote as a personal attack and started DMing me.

[-] donuts@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

You're very right. Blocking when they are being an asshole is just putting your head in the sand. It might feel petty but remember that others are probably also impacted by their shitty behaviour.

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 15 points 1 week ago

I know for a fact I'm opinionated, and don't have problems sharing them.

Please, by all means, block me if you think seeing my comments is adversely affecting you. I'd rather be ignored by someone than make their day worse (unless they're actively trying to make others miserable, but that's a separate discussion)

The fediverse has definitely gotten a little less hostile after blocking a few things.

And remember you can jump ship to another instance at any time! I've hopped a few times but for now my instance is filling my needs without much drama that I am aware of.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 5 points 1 week ago

I think it's less about having strong opinions and more with how those are expressed. But either way, you're here with a good attitude, and that's appreciated.

[-] gigachad@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

I quickly went over your comment history of the last 30 days and you have almost no downvotes. You are a wholesome person and I'm glad you are here!

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago

I’ve yet to block anyone here and the only one I had blocked on Reddit was Gallowboob.

[-] scytale@lemm.ee 13 points 1 week ago

Well that's a name I haven't heard in a long time.

[-] ComfortablyDumb@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 week ago

The biggest toxicity comes from the tank triad. I have blocked them and now it is peaceful.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 8 points 1 week ago

That's like the "install uBlock Origin" first step as far as I'm concerned lol.

[-] ComfortablyDumb@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Yup. Learned it the hard way. My first account was with lemmy.ml and it got banned because of criticizing China. I consider myself leftist and the amount of censorship the tank triad do to ensure China numba wan is mind numbing.

[-] Trashbones@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago
[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Lemmy.ml Lemmygrad Hexbear

Basically the 3 far left instances that will enforce the discourse to be Marxist and anti-west.

Most instances are defederated from the latter two but not the first because that instance is run by the main Lemmy devs (who are communists)

[-] ComfortablyDumb@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not even communists. I have had communists as friends during my grad and undergrad. Tank triad are a worser kind. They actively hinders any discussion against China. Tianenmen? Never happened. Mao's genocide? western propaganda. Chinese imperialism in Tibet? China reclaiming its historical boundaries. Basically China and USSR can never do anything wrong. If they did, its western propaganda.

Also why cant they defederate from lemmy.ml? That should be technically possible as the code is open source and can be fetched easily to run an instance?

[-] TORFdot0@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Anyone can defederate from .ml but they have a lot of users being the dev run site, so many don’t. Or at least that’s the reason lemmy.world has given in the past about why they have don’t federate with hexbear and lemmygrad but still do with ml

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[-] Corgana@startrek.website 8 points 1 week ago

Additional PSA to admins not running a "universal free speech" instance- if you see someone someone being obnoxious it's probably annoying your users just as much as is is you. Don't put the onus fully on users to curate their experience. The Fediverse needs our adults in the room!

[-] HubertManne@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago

Im a big believer in block. I think its better for people to peruse all and block communities they are uninterested in and you should totally block users you don't like. To me it should be like real life. Don't hang with folks you don't like. My hope for the fediverse is instances that only remove things to stay out of legal trouble and communities that only block things that are unrelated. I want all the big tools to be at the user level. Bottom up.

[-] Trashboat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 week ago

That’s one of the benefits of the smaller community here too, the block button actually feels like it does something. If you’re frustrated by comments that add nothing to anything or are fishing for drama etc, a short commitment to blocking repeat offenders really improves things quickly

[-] kitnaht@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I found that a total of like 5 people post basically all of the lemmynsfw stuff. Once I blocked them, it almost all went away. Pretty sure the internet is nothing but bots now.

Also, if you're on the internet expecting all sunshine and rainbows -- leave now. The internet is not a place for that. Everything now is rage-bait designed to get more clicks, and the internet has always been the wild west with major hostilities all the time. It's not a good place to spend your time if you're looking to relax.

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[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Make sure to also report the people you see being toxic, astroturfing, or downright attacking users. Many instances have policies against this and reporting them will increase the likelihood they'll be dealt with, in some cases permanently.

This is something that should be discussed more since blocking is not a moderation function that makes the platform better, it's a tool for people to pretend the problems don't exist. I'm not a fan of pretending issues don't exist, especially since I'm a mod and that would be insanely counter-productive.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Oh, yeah, that goes without saying. Report anyone whose behavior warrants it. I'm just mainly reminding people that blocking can be a way to take control of your experience. It took me a while to fully appreciate the block button and get over my FOMO (in the earlier days of Lemmy, blocking even a few people would cut down the amount of content drastically; thankfully that's no longer the case).

Semi-specific (but still intentionally vague) example for "block" candidates are some accounts that even the mods are like "Look, I don't like them either, but they're not breaking any rules". But, in general, just don't be afraid to block what or whoever stresses you out.

[-] NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Yes and no.

I am a big fan of block buttons and use them quite liberally (if someone responds to me in a manner that makes it clear they have no intention of having a conversation? I never see them ever again).

But the problem is that it only blocks it for the user who blocks them. So harassment is still a thing and now even fewer people are likely to flag it for moderation (to the extent that works).

There is obviously room for abuse but I am a firm believer that any block feature must be bidirectional. If user A blocks user B then A and B can no longer see each other or interact. Which would be a fundamental lemmy feature which makes things difficult.

But "just block them" is good for people who are annoying. Not for people who are abusive. And while the latter isn't SUPER common on lemmy, there are still a good number of people who respond to the simplest of things with "Fuck you you fucking moron and you should go kill yourself"

[-] Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 3 points 1 week ago

Thank you! I try to exercise caution for myself of am I just off put by this or is this truly uncessary behavior, and I'm glad the option to judge for myself is available.

[-] dumples@midwest.social 3 points 1 week ago

I have blocked a few communities which I have really enjoyed. I think there is definitely a different but freeing experience to be in charge of curating your experience instead of algorithms doing it for you. It's more work but the freedom is nice but making the constant choice feels hard.

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