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submitted 3 months ago by Mee@reddthat.com to c/news@lemmy.world

"Return to office" demands may have peaked, with employers accepting remote, work-from-home and hybrid working, research from the Australian HR Institute has found.

A survey of human resources professionals shows employers' demands for full-time staff to be in the office between three to five days are falling.

What's next?

More than 80 per cent of survey respondents expect that hybrid working levels will increase or stay the same in the coming two years.

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[-] Flamekebab@piefed.social 75 points 3 months ago

Office buildings should not be investment vehicles.

[-] bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 33 points 3 months ago

Do you even American bro?!

Cries in eagles

[-] henfredemars@infosec.pub 9 points 3 months ago

Wait till you hear about hospitals.

[-] Num10ck@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago
[-] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 69 points 3 months ago

My office transition from WFH to Hybrid. A lot of people quit over the last year. We’re severely understaffed and we have had trouble hiring.

We had our worst internal survey results for the entire 10 years of my employment.

Management doesn’t seem to correlate the RTO rules as the problem though. 🙃

I’ve been trying to quit too, but I haven’t be able yo find a job yet (i was trying to change careers)

[-] circuitfarmer@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 3 months ago

Clueless execs are always the problem, ultimately. They have their real estate obligations and simply cannot fathom that social norms around working have changed.

Companies which are heavy RTO will fail. Some of the hybrids will survive. Fully remote companies are thriving.

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[-] nimble@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Management doesn’t seem to correlate the RTO rules as the problem though. 🙃

It's not that management doesn't correlate. It's that they planned for RTO to diminish the workforce and then they can start hiring (offshore*) remote workers for a fraction of the cost. At least that's what my company did

[-] w3dd1e@lemm.ee 12 points 3 months ago

Damn you’re right. We have been outsourcing more work to Accenture.

[-] deeferg@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

Which is twice as funny because consultants often cost more in the short term. It's mostly to avoid those pesky things like "benefits" or "pension plans" that employers need to take care of for their own employees.

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[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 35 points 3 months ago

Why would I waste time going to a place with a shittier keyboard and monitor than I have in my quiet private office, with my cat, and zero other annoying coughing humans.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 6 points 3 months ago

Not everyone is so fortunate, some people have the good monitor, keyboard and chair at the office and a dining table at home.

[-] wise_pancake@lemmy.ca 6 points 3 months ago

That is totally fair

I’ve been working remote or hybrid since well before the pandemic, so I’ve had a long time to prioritize setting up my home office.

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 32 points 3 months ago

This article is megacorp paid bullshit.

Literally nobody I know, nobody I work with across multiple contracts with multiple companies and none of my friends or their coworkers want hybrid work or full RTO.

Now, in full disclosure, I did run into someone the other day at a cafe that 100% misses going to an office and commuting and social lunches and whatever. But...that's just one person.

[-] slampisko@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Add another one person to the list. I am a software engineer, I have ADHD and I go to the office 3 days of the week instead of the mandated 1 day. It's just much easier for my brain to focus when I'm in a work environment than at home. Part of it might be how my working space at home is set up, but at home, I have never matched my productivity at the office. Plus, commuting to work is a large majority of my outside time and social time. I touch grass and attend social events relatively rarely and I know I need to work on that, but the fact remains that commuting to work is good for my sanity.

EDIT: Regardless, I understand why people don't want to commute to the office and when given the opportunity, I will always advocate for people's right to choose one, the other, or anything in between.

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 11 points 3 months ago

Interesting! I also have ADHD and find working in an office impossible due to random noises and distracting visuals.

That said, I hyper focus when working from a busy diner or a bar. Is your workplace bustling?

[-] slampisko@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

I love diversity in the ND community! 🙂

Is your workplace bustling?

Not really, it's actually pretty quiet even though it's open space. But I am at my most productive when I have my headphones on and I listen either to instrumental music (post-rock or post-metal works great) or rainycafe.com

[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

This. Headphones and instrumental - anything with lyrics is too distracting - but classical works best for me. Give me some Tchaikovsky and I'll pump code like a good monkey.

[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 16 points 3 months ago

Your sample size seems skewed, or at least it doesn't match my experience.

Mostly my younger colleagues, those in their 20's and early 30's, miss the office and actually go voluntarily about 2-3x a week. They enjoy the flexibility of choosing when to go, but they need to meet new people around their age, bond, go out for drinks, all the "normal" things we old timers used to do before COVID.

Nowadays I don't care for all that, I have my own family and social circles, but I totally understand their point. I just don't want to be dragged back to the office because of that.

[-] Tja@programming.dev 5 points 3 months ago

Same here. I do 100% remote but many of our customers have hybrid models or even total freedom and some people choose to go tue-thu to the office. Especially younger people, without family, and living in smaller apartments in city centers (bad wfh setup, not enough space, roommates).

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 13 points 3 months ago

Eh there are legitimately those that want hybrid. My husband is one of them, he needs the physical work/home divide.

Me? I've been wfh full time since 2015, get fucked.

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[-] Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 32 points 3 months ago

I will never work in an office again. I will starve to death before that happens.

[-] kandoh@reddthat.com 13 points 3 months ago

I will hunt and eat people before I'll starve to death but agree with you about the office thing

[-] whereisk@lemmy.world 29 points 3 months ago

Who on earth wants more people on the road?

Everyone should be against mandatory rto especially those that cannot work remotely and have to commute, such as labourers.

[-] DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago

Wealthy corporations want you to spend money (car, bus, train, real estate). How is this still not obvious to you?

[-] whereisk@lemmy.world 3 points 3 months ago

Yes, obviously there are vested interests as you mentioned that would like things as they were, the question is why would you think it’s in your interest to publicly declare it as a vote winning talking point?

[-] j0ester@lemmy.world 4 points 3 months ago
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[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 28 points 3 months ago

Too bad there's a ton of bootlicker red state governor's forcing their workforce back to the office at the taxpayer's massive expense.just to appease the dipshit who forgot this even happened within a minute of being told about it

[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 10 points 3 months ago

And to save commercial real estate values.

[-] Bronzebeard@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

It had been 5 years. There was nothing left to save after that long.

[-] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 22 points 3 months ago

Maybe we finally showed them enough times how quickly the team it took you years to assemble can evaporate into nothing.

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[-] 2ugly2live@lemmy.world 22 points 3 months ago

I switched companies to avoid RTO. I happened to move closer to my mom during this time and not a month later they released Hybrid. Thank God I was out of range, but people were pissed. Funny enough, my company offered full WFH as long as metrics were being met, so there were some people who hadn't been to the office in years that were now told to go. And the limit was "50 miles as the crow flies," so people were going to have nice commutes. 🙃

I've had meetings where literally only one person is in the office (and it'll be empty behind them), while the entire rest of the team is remote. How can you tell people hybrid is necessary when the rest of their team is at home? We had people who were just hired, who came to my company specifically for the remote work, that had the rug pulled from out of them. When they complained, they were just told they agreed to work for the company under their terms and the terms had changed. Every single survey since then says the same thing: We what WFH.

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 20 points 3 months ago

I don't even do hybrid work anymore. I just end up doing contractor roles because contractors can almost always do remote work.

Because of this I'm constantly on and off projects.

This has broken the "my work cares about me" or "I'm going to retire here"spell they put on you.

Corporate doesn't care about you. You must be selfish at work or nobody will care about you.

[-] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 6 points 3 months ago

This was the best thing about contract work for me. I suddenly stopped caring about downsizing, poor performance announcements at all hands meetings, annual raises, and whatnot.

At any given time I have 2-4 contracts going at once and if they want to get all demandy, IDGAF anymore. I have told managers "no", and it's amazing.

[-] jaschen@lemm.ee 5 points 3 months ago

It's feast or famine. But honestly, I rather have this than actually going into the office.

[-] CalipherJones@lemmy.world 20 points 3 months ago

I listened to one of these c-suite apes give a whole discussion justifying bringing people back to work. His points were that having an amazing work culture and 75k a year is more than enough to get people back. When it came to why people didn't want to return there was no mention of having more free time, avoiding commutes, etc.

These fucks are unbelievably out of touch.

[-] MagicShel@lemmy.zip 19 points 3 months ago

I'm okay with 1 day a week in office. I'd prefer every other week, but it's good to have face to face conversations on occasion. But the office needs to understand I'm going to be much less productive those days. I'm leaving at 2 to beat rush hour, and I'm not making up that 1.5 hours of commute time after I get home (I will eat the morning commute though). I'm taking a lunch with my coworkers instead of working through it.

When everyone understands that the office days are performative rather than productive, it's not the worst thing. That said, keep fighting, my WFH brethren. Not everyone benefits from office time, and any time not spent in meetings it's fucking ridiculous to see people sitting in a cubicle with headphones on trying hard to emulate the peace and productivity of just working from home.

[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 15 points 3 months ago

No one I know wants to go into the office just-because, but they also don't want to starve. When the choice is yield or die, it's not much of a choice.

I really dislike that the incompetent dolts who can't adapt to the internet are dragging everyone else down. I don't want to be in an uncomfortable office, losing hours a day to a commute, so someone can walk up to me and say "Hey" instead of using slack.

[-] AugustWest@lemm.ee 13 points 3 months ago

Hybrid is the worst. I mean its better than making me be there all the time, but it also lets people get away with all the bad habits: mixed in office / at home meetings, lack of documentation, unclear directives, favoritism, etc.

Hybrid means that the people are still unable to figure out how to communicate effectively, that they are going to start saying nonsense like "institutional knowledge" because they let people get away with it.

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

My employer tried to start an RTO program, likely as pressure from the owners.

My savvy manager had already deduced that existing checks were compiled on a monthly database query, so that's what I was doing; I also managed to skirt other checks by not claiming a permanent desk at my local office, which, as I predicted, kept me off of a separate query's shit list. I also compiled a point-for-point rebuttal to their bulleted reasons for implementing RTO as it would affect me and my work, and held on to that just in case.

They gave up the push not long after, and just ensure that butts are in seats when the owners visit so we all "look busy."

[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 3 months ago

If you pay me well enough to maintain my current standard of living within 20 min transit/cycling/walking commute of the office, I’ll do hybrid. But I suspect I’m not going to get a mid six-figure USD raise.

Keep resisting RTO and the demands will continue to drop.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 11 points 3 months ago

Also as jobs become the new abnormal.

[-] TON618@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah i'm definitely in team "flexibility". I really don't mind going to the office, tbh, even mostly, but rush hour commuting can go fuck itself and I'm just not subjecting myself to that anymore. I can start up at home and then move to the office when less people are moving themselves around.

[-] derpgon@programming.dev 3 points 3 months ago

Wake up 9am, get a cup of joe, some pastry, take a mandatory shit, work for two hours, arrive to office just in time for lunch with colleagues, four hours of work, go back home, work some more if needed.

And still be more efficient than being forced to work on site and being watched by your boss all the time.

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[-] Lennnny@lemmy.world 7 points 3 months ago

Fuck. I just had a really promising interview, but it was three days in office, three days remote (5 days a week, so the days gradually rotate). I've worked remote for 15 years, not including three months in a terrible office job that I promptly quit.

I'm making a mistake considering this, aren't I?

[-] ByteJunk@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

Depends on how good the offer is I suppose.

If it offsets the inconvenience and additional cost by a significant margin, or if there's other reasons why it would be good to take it (ceiling at current job, better progression prospects at new company, other quality of life perks, ...) then you shouldn't ditch it outright.

But 15 years without going to an office, it could be a jarring experience. Consider well how this will affect your daily routines: force yourself to go to a shared workspace and work from there 3x a week, then evaluate if it works for you or not.

[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Sigh. Dunno. The money's good and job market appears to be tightening up again, around west coast US anyway.

Maybe take it and negotiate an extra day remote?

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