This comic was posted in 2011 but still holds up today perfectly lol.
I still remember the old times before xorg.confs were modular. The truly hard times.
I was there, Gandalf, I was there when the modelines of xf86config failed...
I'm pretty sure it is because nobody knows. Xorg is a massive project that has tons and tons of duck tape.
So I only just got into linux this year. I gave some X11 distro's a go, but the screen tearing was awwwwfulll. So I've been running Wayalnd/Plasma for months now.
What exactly am I missing out on? Seems lots of users here still favor X11 over wayland but as I've never had any problems. It's still unclear to me why people are still sticking with X11.
Wayland is the new protocol and will be the one that everything uses in the long run
If Wayland works for you, then that's great, don't use X11
The main reason you'd want to use X11 these days is for compatibility. But that's getting less and less of a concern as time goes on
If you're fine with Wayland, go with Wayland. There are lots of reasons still that people might prefer X11 but the list has been getting shorter.
I'm new to Linux too and testing both X11 and Wayland at home. so far I like Wayland in theory (it's the future!) but prefer X11 in practice (no weird graphical issues).
If you have no issues with Wayland, keep using it. You aren't missing anything.
Linux is a vast space, and some people have use cases that aren't covered by Wayland, yet.
So they still use X.
Nothing, unless you really want to use a DE that's still lacking behind in its adoption. There are a few tools that still only offer early support for it (like RustDesk), but otherwise Wayland is a way better choice these days. However if you got an Nvidia GPU and need to use the proprietary driver you might be forced to still use X11. Their pile of garbage still routinely bugs on Wayland, and given their work on NVK I doubt that thing will ever get fully fixed.
They use it cause their desktop does not support wayland yet or their Nvidia card causes issue with it, potentially since they are using an older driver.
I also switched to use different Wayland compositors many years ago for my main systems, but there are also still reasons to use X11. These are mine:
ssh -Y) and just start a GUI app, and the window appears on your screen.There might be some Wayland compositors that worked around that, but on X11 this was standard. But generally X11 provides these features for all WMs, and in Wayland they have to be implemented individually.
And some just are not supposed to work, for security reasons.
But all of this depends on your use-case. I sometimes even (can or have to) go without a Wayland compositor or X11 and render GUI directly via KMS/DRM.
Multi-cursor support/multi focus
If I want two mice and monitors hooked up so me and another person can use the same computer independently it’s x11
I’ve seen some steps towards this on Wayland but it was in infancy last I checked
professional tip for those who decided to rock Debian on a laptop with two GPU’s.
Envycontrol will take the headache away from manually configuring your xorg & xrandr, trust me, compared to the Debian documentation this will save you hours of your life.
...who... IN THE FUCK!!! Reads Debian docs?
Arch are the true Linux docs, maybe Gentoo docs, worst case Ubuntu forums.
Run a ton of Debian, only time I check their docs is when I'm trying to remember what the current stable release is called.
...who... IN THE FUCK!!! Reads Debian docs?
How else does one learn the distro they use without consulting the documentation?
Gather around kids, story time. It was 2002 and I had a desktop pc with two video cards, one Matrox with dual video output (they were pretty much the only consumer ones with that at the time) on AGP slot, and one "something" (probably ATI, it still had and RCA port) on PCI. So I installed gentoo (from stage1, as it was custom at the time) and fiddled around with xorg.conf to have two monitors output from the Matrox and a third (yes, I had 3 monitors) from the ATI.
That's when I understood the power of Linux (no way win2000 was able to do that).
I felt this one.
Funny how vocal Wayland haters used to be until they tried Wayland.
I mean, there was a point in time, quite some years back, when I had to do up modelines, but Xorg can generally handle things without an xorg.conf.
It has improved, but most developers working on Xorg have moved to Wayland. I'm not saying Xorg isn't still useful at times, like forwarding over SSH, but Wayland has more isolation & security considerations, which can be seen as both an advantage & limitation. However, Wayland compositors have implemented most controls & protocols now to fill in the gaps.
Do you really think ppl don't break their wayland setup? For example, some systems don't get a mouse cursor in wayland umless they switch the cursor to software rendering. To do that, they must often set an env var for the wayland process, but there is no standard way to do it. Half of them starts tinkering with their PAM and the others with their .profile . Sometimes this breaks every way to log in.
I'm sure some people do, but for the most part it is much better than X in that regard.
They still use X. You must never go there.
As an X user I support this message.
Me, yesterday, tinkering with remote desktop.
Every config: get it to a place that works and create a .WORKING backup copy
I get the joke, but I'm getting tired of these very, very old memes being reposted ad-nauseam when they're so outdated. I did not have to open the xorg.conf file for at least a decade, probably more. It was a very annoying thing to do, yes, but hasn't been an issue for a lot of install in forever.
There's a resurgence of these "but it's very weird/difficult/annoying" outdated memes these last few weeks on a lot of websites, and at this point I'm wondering if it's just people discovering them or just some people bashing linux systems based on their experience from the last century.
A new Linux meme? I don't believe it
That is BSD. You can go there. Cool people. Hardware support is a bit spottier though.
They ran rm -rf in their root directory.
French package goes brrrrrrr _
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_ KERNEL PANIC
SEGFAULT 0x00000
EAX: _______
EIX: _______
Even worse, its ChromeOS (ewwww)
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