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[-] renzev@lemmy.world 80 points 1 month ago

This comic was posted in 2011 but still holds up today perfectly lol.

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[-] devfuuu@lemmy.world 61 points 1 month ago

I still remember the old times before xorg.confs were modular. The truly hard times.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I was there, Gandalf, I was there when the modelines of xf86config failed...

[-] Object@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)
[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 points 1 month ago

I'm pretty sure it is because nobody knows. Xorg is a massive project that has tons and tons of duck tape.

[-] Downpour@programming.dev 24 points 1 month ago

So I only just got into linux this year. I gave some X11 distro's a go, but the screen tearing was awwwwfulll. So I've been running Wayalnd/Plasma for months now.

What exactly am I missing out on? Seems lots of users here still favor X11 over wayland but as I've never had any problems. It's still unclear to me why people are still sticking with X11.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 points 1 month ago

Wayland is the new protocol and will be the one that everything uses in the long run

If Wayland works for you, then that's great, don't use X11

The main reason you'd want to use X11 these days is for compatibility. But that's getting less and less of a concern as time goes on

[-] brisk@aussie.zone 16 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If you're fine with Wayland, go with Wayland. There are lots of reasons still that people might prefer X11 but the list has been getting shorter.

  • The security model of Wayland is more restrictive than necessary for many users and means things like screen sharing and desktop toys are harder and not universally implemented or doable.
  • Wayland effectively requires many things to be handled by the same process, preventing traditional modular environments (e.g. separating window manager from compositor no longer possible)
  • Explicit compositor support required for more features, meaning having a feature complete environment in small projects is much harder, and the design of Wayland tends to promote a few large desktop environments rather than many small window managers.
  • NVidia's support for Wayland is still improving
  • Wayland can't rotate your screen to be on an angle to maximise the length of a line
  • Several programs I rely on don't support Wayland well yet
    • Steam doesn't stream from Wayland
    • Transparent bits of FreeCAD show the background instead of what's behind them
    • Code-OSS required a very silly workaround for decent font rendering, although I think this might have been fixed in electron
[-] quid_pro_joe@infosec.pub 6 points 1 month ago

I'm new to Linux too and testing both X11 and Wayland at home. so far I like Wayland in theory (it's the future!) but prefer X11 in practice (no weird graphical issues).

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[-] superkret@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago

If you have no issues with Wayland, keep using it. You aren't missing anything.
Linux is a vast space, and some people have use cases that aren't covered by Wayland, yet.
So they still use X.

[-] Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 1 month ago

Nothing, unless you really want to use a DE that's still lacking behind in its adoption. There are a few tools that still only offer early support for it (like RustDesk), but otherwise Wayland is a way better choice these days. However if you got an Nvidia GPU and need to use the proprietary driver you might be forced to still use X11. Their pile of garbage still routinely bugs on Wayland, and given their work on NVK I doubt that thing will ever get fully fixed.

[-] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 5 points 1 month ago

They use it cause their desktop does not support wayland yet or their Nvidia card causes issue with it, potentially since they are using an older driver.

[-] cmhe@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I also switched to use different Wayland compositors many years ago for my main systems, but there are also still reasons to use X11. These are mine:

  • X11 forwarding, with that you can connect to another system via SSH (e.g. via ssh -Y) and just start a GUI app, and the window appears on your screen.
  • Sharing individual windows via WebRTC, with Wayland compositors you can normally only share full screens. Xserver allows applications to directly capture the window content of others.
  • Easily mirroring screens for presentations, with some Wayland compositors you have to capture one screen and then play it back on another screen, with X11 that is integrated into the xserver.
  • Automation and keyboard macros, with X11 it is much easier to automate keyboard macros and customize keyboard mapping than on Wayland. See Xmodmap, etc. Same for mouse input. That is also a reason why implementing remote control software is more difficult with Wayland, see for instance RustDesk support for Wayland (works now, but still a bit experimental).

There might be some Wayland compositors that worked around that, but on X11 this was standard. But generally X11 provides these features for all WMs, and in Wayland they have to be implemented individually.

And some just are not supposed to work, for security reasons.

But all of this depends on your use-case. I sometimes even (can or have to) go without a Wayland compositor or X11 and render GUI directly via KMS/DRM.

[-] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Multi-cursor support/multi focus

If I want two mice and monitors hooked up so me and another person can use the same computer independently it’s x11

I’ve seen some steps towards this on Wayland but it was in infancy last I checked

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[-] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 month ago

I like XFCE4 but there is no compositor for it yet.

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[-] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 20 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

professional tip for those who decided to rock Debian on a laptop with two GPU’s.

Envycontrol will take the headache away from manually configuring your xorg & xrandr, trust me, compared to the Debian documentation this will save you hours of your life.

[-] InverseParallax@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

...who... IN THE FUCK!!! Reads Debian docs?

Arch are the true Linux docs, maybe Gentoo docs, worst case Ubuntu forums.

Run a ton of Debian, only time I check their docs is when I'm trying to remember what the current stable release is called.

[-] ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

...who... IN THE FUCK!!! Reads Debian docs?

How else does one learn the distro they use without consulting the documentation?

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[-] Im_old@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago

Gather around kids, story time. It was 2002 and I had a desktop pc with two video cards, one Matrox with dual video output (they were pretty much the only consumer ones with that at the time) on AGP slot, and one "something" (probably ATI, it still had and RCA port) on PCI. So I installed gentoo (from stage1, as it was custom at the time) and fiddled around with xorg.conf to have two monitors output from the Matrox and a third (yes, I had 3 monitors) from the ATI.

That's when I understood the power of Linux (no way win2000 was able to do that).

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[-] db2@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago
[-] timewarp@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Funny how vocal Wayland haters used to be until they tried Wayland.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 6 points 1 month ago

I mean, there was a point in time, quite some years back, when I had to do up modelines, but Xorg can generally handle things without an xorg.conf.

[-] timewarp@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It has improved, but most developers working on Xorg have moved to Wayland. I'm not saying Xorg isn't still useful at times, like forwarding over SSH, but Wayland has more isolation & security considerations, which can be seen as both an advantage & limitation. However, Wayland compositors have implemented most controls & protocols now to fill in the gaps.

[-] lurch@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 month ago

Do you really think ppl don't break their wayland setup? For example, some systems don't get a mouse cursor in wayland umless they switch the cursor to software rendering. To do that, they must often set an env var for the wayland process, but there is no standard way to do it. Half of them starts tinkering with their PAM and the others with their .profile . Sometimes this breaks every way to log in.

[-] timewarp@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

I'm sure some people do, but for the most part it is much better than X in that regard.

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[-] vga@sopuli.xyz 15 points 1 month ago

They still use X. You must never go there.

[-] renzev@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

As an X user I support this message.

[-] fossilesque@mander.xyz 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Me, yesterday, tinkering with remote desktop.

[-] ButteryNickel@lemmy.wtf 9 points 1 month ago

Every config: get it to a place that works and create a .WORKING backup copy

[-] cley_faye@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

I get the joke, but I'm getting tired of these very, very old memes being reposted ad-nauseam when they're so outdated. I did not have to open the xorg.conf file for at least a decade, probably more. It was a very annoying thing to do, yes, but hasn't been an issue for a lot of install in forever.

There's a resurgence of these "but it's very weird/difficult/annoying" outdated memes these last few weeks on a lot of websites, and at this point I'm wondering if it's just people discovering them or just some people bashing linux systems based on their experience from the last century.

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[-] secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 1 month ago

A new Linux meme? I don't believe it

[-] Abnorc@lemm.ee 6 points 1 month ago

That is BSD. You can go there. Cool people. Hardware support is a bit spottier though.

[-] glowing_hans@sopuli.xyz 5 points 1 month ago

They ran rm -rf in their root directory.

[-] trolololol@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

French package goes brrrrrrr _

_

_ KERNEL PANIC

SEGFAULT 0x00000

EAX: _______

EIX: _______

[-] kittenzrulz123@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 month ago

Even worse, its ChromeOS (ewwww)

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