So crazy that the Conservative Party still has 144 seats given that they've basically signed on to a policy of foreign occupation.
Feels like I'm watching liberated France send Philippe Pétain back in as the Loyal Opposition with 40% of the vote.
That's not what their base believes. There is a whole other fantasy reality in their channels about how Carney has planned all along to cut a secret deal with Trump after the election. Other justification narratives probably exist as well, because they have to keep people believing that obviously, everyone knows we couldn't possibly do anything other than completely fold into Trump's plans. They spew propagandistic garbage like this and teach people to distrust legit media that understands context and checks facts rather than running with conspiracy theories based on flimsy evidence.
The conservatives still turned out a lot of votes. The left just voted strategically to keep them out. Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again. Given the parties recent history even if it isn't Poilievre I'm sure they will pick another alt right sycophant.
Next election the left will split again and we will get the conservatives again.
Rather than settling for the investment banker, they could all rally around a candidate that's interested in social good.
The Left doesn't have to split.
The left has to get their shit together before that can happen. Right now the left cares more about purity tests over being effective.
People are gonna hate this but here it is...
From my point of view as a disabled Canadian with a young family, who is close to many members of the local first Nations community, the left is as fascist as the right.
They treat minorities and disabled people like chattel. We live in poverty and are actively pursued if we attempt to bring ourselves out of it. At the same time they bail out our own billionaire olygarchs who have much more than they could ever need. They allow them to flaunt the laws of our country and give them a mere "slap on the wrist" for any infractions though they could pay hundreds of millions easily that could be used for better services for all Canadians.
Let's all start calling it what it is and stop being nice about things. They need us to be poor and sick so there is fear in the so called middle class of ending up like us. Of losing everything because you got sick or hurt at work. Maybe your skin is the wrong color, your sex isn't typical or your government has been trying to exterminate you for your entire existence. One little misstep or even something out of your control and your life is fucked forever.
They need you to go to work and to vote for them. They need you not to challenge them and hate one another because of your political beliefs, your racism or sexism, or your implied class. They need you to forget about us and argue with us. They need you to keep us down. And you do.
Until someone starts standing up for the little guys over here screaming at you, we will continue to be a fascist dictatorship to a portion of our population and the vast majority of people on both sides of the political spectrum couldn't give a fuck.
Right now the left cares more about purity tests
People care about who they can trust. Far to much liberal politics revolves around lying, cheating, and scamming voters, donors, and activists.
You can't have a viable Left in a country that's too cynical to believe better things are possible.
I'm not Canadian, Thank you Canada, there is hope after all.
There's hope but this was too close. The Conservatives upped their numbers as did the Liberals. It was only the progressive/reasonable vote banding together that saved the day.
Its complicated; I cant really see the hope for these reasons. Canada had a housing crisis 10 years ago, prices were way too high relative to incomes. The shortage then worsened and prices ratcheted up as we increased immigration.
In 2023 we had huge asset price inflation like most places, due to QE from the Bank of Canada that was used to fund Covid stimulus, which caused asset values to skyrocket. We took in over a million people that year to sustain asset prices and keep wages depressed. This is known as the phillips curve, its generally expected wages rise after inflation due to wage pressure, as people ask for raises to deal with the rising cost of living.
https://thehub.ca/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Fig1_AnnualPopulationGrowth_graph_v1-1170x839.jpg
Canada's main cities are now within the top 10 most expensive cities in the world. The income required to afford to live there is above 200k, while the median wage is only 70k a year.
https://globalnews.ca/news/10572326/impossibly-unaffordable-housing-vancouver-report/
Carney promised to cap immigration at 1% population growth a year, which is 415,000 people a year. Annual deaths are at around 320,000, and births about 360,000 people, so we will grow at around 465,000 people a year. Given in 2022 we welcomed the most we have ever welcomed at 405,000, where prices were already rising dramatically, I dont see how the cost of living gets any better for young people. I actually dont see a single change to the existing Liberal plan at all, they were basically expecting that exact same number in 2022.
I am a fan. I have joy.
Look at how close it was. Canada may want to start stomping down the Trump wannabes now or they will be where the US is in about 10 years (or sooner).
An electoral reform wouldn't hurt.
This is my main thought. Once the immediate threat of Trump is past, the country will return to the global standard of "elect whoever wasn't running things when everything got worse". I hope the liberals see that writing on the wall and put electoral reform in place so that the smaller parties stand a chance and aren't all killed by the usual "strategic voting" nonsense.
I really think it's Canada's best shot at not electing a Conservative majority when the party seems to be at peak crazy. I'd really rather not count on them returning to the center over the next 4 years when global politics is more divided than I've ever seen.
I think "stomping down" is the wrong phrase to use. Regardless, I have a couple in my family... Asking them "how do I change your mind" or "what would need to happen for you to even consider the other side" has shown me some people can't be helped.
I wanted to vote NDP but I felt I had to vote Liberal to negate their PP vote. My riding is liberal this time and I'm super happy.
If Canada had Australian-style preferential voting (i.e. you numbered your candidates in order of preference, and if your first choice got eliminated, your vote cascaded to your second, and so on until it was tallied for your least-disliked of the two leading candidates), the Liberals would have a significantly more comfortable margin (assuming that they got most of the Greens’ preferences and at least half of the NDP)
We were supposed to get election reform after the liberals won in 2015 and I'm still quite bitter about it
You will never get it top down. The major parties all prefer and benefit from different systems.
If you truely care about electoral reform your best bet is bottom up. Start getting your preferred form into municipal elections. We almost had that in Ontario until Doug showed up and fucked us.
I believe the whole world would be in much better shape if everyone handled elections like Australia. We certainly wouldn't have had Trump ever here. When more people vote the Democrats win every time.
I strongly support mandatory voting. If you're against voting at all for whatever reason, just turn in a blank form. And I'm no big fan of the Democrats, but they wouldn't be kidnapping people to send them to concentration camps.
If we had ranked choice or some other system, dems and repubs would both lose to third parties that actually represent the people
A very important thing to remember this election: The Conservatives had a 30-point lead and were set to gain over 200 seats in a sweeping majority victory and they blew it. They blew it and their leader lost his own seat. The fact we even have a Liberal minority at all is incredible.
So while the Conservative party still has a lot of seats, enough Canadians disliked PP and his campaign enough to erode a 30 point lead. PP says he is staying on as party leader but his party would be incredibly foolish to keep him. His campaign cost them a historical election victory and the dude can't even get elected in his own riding.
Hopefully this will signal to the Conservatives that Canadians don't have any use for a demagogue who attributes the world's ills to "wokeness," but I'm not holding my breath.
Conservatives have more seats now so that’s definitely not the lesson they’re learning. Probably this just means that they need to pick a rural district to run their party leader
Thoroughly hilarious. Go away Chode boy, nobody likes you!
FUCK OFF BACK HOME PIERRE HAHAHAHAHAHA 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦
So, now what for Poilievre?
Maybe the knives come out and he's forced out as Conservative leader. I mean, he had a 20 percentage point lead over the Liberals and lost it. That has to piss them off. All he needed to do is do what Doug Ford did and stand up for Canada and against Trump.
But, if he doesn't step down, where does he get someone to step down so he can run in a by-election? If he wants to stay near Ottawa, he'll really have to move somewhere rural. He doesn't strike me as the kind of guy who actually likes rural people or rural life very much. Or, he could move to Alberta. Lots of safe Conservative ridings in Alberta, some are even in urban areas. But, will they want a guy who is the very model of a carpet-bagger? A politician who has never had a job outside of politics, not just from "Ottawa" meaning the federal government, but who has literally lived in Ottawa(ish) for years?
I hope they ditch him. I'm sure the conservative party could do a lot worse, but there's also a chance they could find a leader who has actually done something with their lives outside politics, and who has their own ideas, not just reheated culture war crap from Canada's Shorts and just shouting down anything the Liberals suggest.
He lost his seat. He's toast. He'll be writing op-eds for Postmedia in a month.
PP gone forever? Or is CPC somehow going to give him another seat so he can stay leader?
They can’t give him someone else’s seat. They can ask someone else to resign their seat and he can run in a byelection for that seat but the prime minister (Carney) can wait up to 6 months before calling the byelection, which itself can have a campaign period of up to 50 days.
So if Carney wants to, he can keep PP out of office until at least next year.
The other cool thing is that PP is no longer eligible to occupy Stornoway House, the residence of the leader of the official opposition, since PP no longer has a seat. This means he has to move out and he loses access to the $200k year budget for household staff. So he’ll have to get out there and look for housing like the rest of us plebs (though he can easily afford it).
Yes, that's where the drama will unfold next. Will there be a civil war, and how many factions will be involved?
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