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Can someone remind me why we stopped using Firefox a while back? There was some piece of news that broke everyone's trust, but I can't remember what Mozilla did. Was it a change in their user agreement?

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[-] JubilantJaguar@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago

Who is this "we" you talk of?

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago
[-] _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago

Who is this "we"? I still use it, never stopped.

[-] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago

Can't come back to Firefox if you never leave in the first place

[-] Uruanna@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

~~I come back to it every morning~~ wait no, I don't close my 1000+ tabs or shut down my Windows. Never mind.

[-] Zak@lemmy.world 14 points 1 week ago

When? There have been a few times people stopped using Firefox in large numbers.

One of them was when Chrome first came out. Firefox (and every other browser) at the time ran every site in one process. As sites became more reliant on Javascript, which was usually poorly written, that meant any one tab having a problem made other sites and even the browser's own UI unresponsive, or sometimes crashed the whole browser. Chrome's multiprocess model was a revelation. Firefox didn't get its own implementation until 2016.

Recently, there's been some movement away from Firefox due to Mozilla making decisions people don't feel align with open source, the open web, and privacy. The one that has me looking at forks is the planned addition of terms of use to the browser. Terms of use are for an ongoing relationship between a service operator and a user; Firefox is local software I'm operating myself on a computer I own. Its fine for optional online services like Sync to have terms of use, but the browser should work without those.

[-] sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 1 week ago

That's what I was remembering, the terms of use.

[-] TheFANUM@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Misinformation

[-] steeznson@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Firefox is essential for its various forks even if you have gripes with it

[-] bigDottee@geekroom.tech 7 points 1 week ago

I never stopped using it. There are privacy issues with all browsers. I like how Firefox works, but I regularly end up using Firefox, chrome, and edge all at the same time. I use them for some compartmentalization of my tasks and work lol

[-] Nyticus@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 week ago

I stopped using Firefox for four core reasons:

Their investment into AI How they submit and work with their Google overlords to some degree Their browser putting in more and more unnecessary and unasked features (like Firefox account for one) Their Terms of Service

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

CEO compensation too

[-] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

The thing is, I never have. Chrome is absolute hot garbage and spyware, all the Chromium forks are all flawed and bugged and still feed into Google's dominance because of engine and stupid Manifest bullshit. Firefox, despite all the stupid things Mozilla did and still does just works the best and is not Chromium.

[-] Noerknhar@feddit.org 2 points 1 week ago

Can you elaborate on the manifest bullshit thing?

[-] glimse@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

New Chromium framework for browser extensions that severely limits their functionality. It neuters adlockers.

[-] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Here, this should help. tl;dr: Google updated how Chrome security works and it broke apps like every adblocker at the time.

[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 week ago

It didn't break adblockers "at the time". It broke them intentionally. That was by design. Google is an advertising company dabbling in other areas. They don't want a browser that can properly block their primary revenue.

[-] RejZoR@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

It was intentional to block/break adblockers. Google is worlds largest advertiser...

[-] Noerknhar@feddit.org -1 points 1 week ago

Understood, that's something to be expected by Google, but complete shit.

However, adblockers still work these days - see Vivaldi, so they found a workaround?

[-] Sandbar_Trekker@lemmy.today 0 points 1 week ago

Google sells it as an updated extension framework to improve security, privacy, and performance of extensions... But it also nerfs adblockers ability to block all ads.

There are some forks from chrome that haven't implemented the new manifest thing. So if you really need to, look for those.

[-] coreray00@discuss.online 1 points 1 week ago

Any suggestions?

[-] Guidy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Firefox is better than most but still smugly makes anti-user changes which are complete dog shit.

Remember when they turned off your ability to choose to load extensions that weren’t signed, because fuck you?

Fuck Pepperidge farm, I remember that shit.

Or how about DNS over https, because fuck you, user, why should you have any say over name resolution when you might use that power to block ads and malware?

[-] Outdated4134@lemmy.zip 4 points 1 week ago

I've been back to Firefox for about a year now. Left chrome for it.

[-] ptz@dubvee.org 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I never fully did, but I did end up using Chromium more than I wanted to:

  1. Some poorly written sites refuse to work with FF. My water company, for example. They eventually fixed it after I complained multiple times. Now they display a warning that it's "Optimized for Chrome" but no longer flat out prevent FF from logging in (you know, to pay bills and such).
  2. FF Desktop still doesn't support PWAs, and their recent update says they're working on it, but they're half-assing it (installed web apps will still have the menu bars, address, bar etc). I self-host a lot of web applications and want them to appear like native apps. Hence, Chromium.
  3. There was some recent ToS / Privacy Policy change, and everyone was knee-jerking "time to abandon Firefox" as if there's anywhere better to go. (This is probably what you're thinking of)
  4. A good while back, Chrom(ium) was just flat-out faster. That's been a while, and I think when FF's "Quantum" update (or whatever it was called) came out in like 2016 or 2017, it put it back on par.
[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 week ago

A good while back, Chrom(ium) was just flat-out faster

Performance was huge.

I was willing to put up with a little jank from my browser because I wanted a diverse browser ecosystem, but Chrome felt much, much now performant. After I switched to Chrome, browsing felt noticably better.

[-] piskertariot@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

A good while back, Chrome was superior. Faster yes, but also more polished and intuitive as browsers go.

Also, Google was "Do no Evil", and Firefox was good, but not great.

Today, Firefox is still good, and Google is evil.

[-] sbv@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Times definitely have changed.

Also, Google was "Do no Evil"

At the time Google seemed awesome. Gmail was a game changer - a usable webapp that was better than maybe clients.

Firefox was good, but not great.

Firefox was the best of a bad bunch. It was so easy for devs to move to Chrome because the experience on every other browser was bad.

[-] LumpyPancakes@lemm.ee 1 points 1 week ago

#2 for me. The PWAs for Firefox extension broke one too many times so I gave up.

[-] bimbimboy@lemm.ee 2 points 1 week ago

Still using it here

[-] solrize@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I don't even remember many times Firefox/Mozilla has changed its extension API and broken everyone's add-ons. It gets tiresome.

[-] LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

Mainly once, if you dont count prehistoric versions

[-] UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

I am lazy and have yet to switch to a new fork.

[-] evulhotdog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

I recently tried to migrate to Firefox after the v2 extension changes in Chrome. I worked, but there were a few things that bothered me.

Chrome and chromium browsers will automatically use the window last used in the MacOS workspace you are in, and this usually works nicely when you have a work workspace and a personal workspace. It keeps things nicely separated when you click on links. Firefox doesn’t do that. It uses whatever window you last accessed. Not the end of the world.

The real problem I had is that the performance when using web tools like grafana in Firefox is so much worse compared to chromium based browsers. It was unbearable. I haven’t tried WebKit yet to see the same services in safari, for example.

[-] Lasherz12@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I believe you're thinking of a ToS change where the wording was incredibly vague, leading to some outlets to claim they were selling browsing data to 3rd parties and AI modelers. They changed it right after to specify that the data they were using wasn't browsing data, and the data they did gather wouldn't be used for AI. They are not as invasive as google, but you're subject to Google on Firefox because of the ubiquity of their telemetry and search optimizations across websites. Firefox with an add-on such as noscript is much better than Chrome still, in my opinion. At the very least, it's nice to have a browser that doesn't work to undermine its own add-on functionalities.

[-] GoOnASteamTrain@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago

I have a silly reason! I got a windows phone and loved it, so was happy to use Edge (when it was still its own thing and not effectively Chrome).

Edge's PDF viewer was great, and in general things were speedy, got out the way, and best of all it synced bookmarks to my phone. :) I also liked the rewards system for using bing, and between microsoft and google, I regarded google as worse ethically. (Obviously... yeah not a solid argument)

I think I switched back to firefox and variants mainly because I started caring about my data, open-source, and also those advantages Edge had were eroding in real-time, with adverts, nagging, and Windows things creeping in - the rewards ended, the chrome thing, it started feeling like the IE days again.

One of my coworkers uses it still, and it pains me to see what new AI gimmick is being shoehorned in.

If I stopped for dumb reasons, I like to think I came back wiser for it. :)

[-] CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.today 1 points 1 week ago

Because Librewolf exists and Mozilla became an adware vendor.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

No, chrome came out and was that much better than every other browser at first.

[-] nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 week ago
[-] Ledivin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

When Chrome initially came out? Not even close. Firefox was a bloated piece of crap, Chrome was slim and didn't have all the bullshit that every other browser had.

Obviously, things have changed a little...

[-] DScratch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 week ago

It was. It was crazy fast and lightweight at the time.

It gained massive market share.

It became the default development target for websites.

Other browsers started getting left behind.

Each step syphons users from other browsers, compounding issues.

[-] BlackLaZoR@fedia.io 0 points 1 week ago

Back in the early days Mozilla redesigned Firefox interface. It was so incomprehensively moronic that I moved to Chrome.

[-] k_rol@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 week ago

Firefox was late to use multiple threads for the UI so it was horribly slow and hanging every time a page was loading. I think It took them around 2 years to get this done while Chrome was running great.

Even I being a hardcore Firefox user, I went to Chrome for 1 year or so as it was intolerable.

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