On the left is just a list of people they are willing to accept money from
No political orientation gives you unlimited time to clean the bathrooms.
Why is it on a liberal private business owner to provide a public bathroom? This just seems like the myth people use to show why liberalism is either phony or unsustainable.
It should be on the local government/community to provide public options.
"I support trans people having safe access to bathrooms"
"may I safely access this bathroom?"
"Are you poor?"
That is like the weirdest attempt at an argument I've ever heard. Somehow we have to make even this stupid fucking discussion about trans people and bathrooms bc apparently that is all some people obsess about. JFC.
Do you let every stranger that asks to use your bathroom, use your bathroom? No.
Do you let people who are guests in your house use your bathroom? Yes.
Would a customer be the equivalent of a guest in a business? Yes.
Do you consider trans people to be humans like anyone else? Yes.
Simple. Mind fucking blown. 🤯
Um the sign is literally about safety for all people with genders specifically mentioned. Bathrooms in public are relatively dangerous for trans people, hence the comment. Like if you want safety and respect for people, and then refuse to help them, you actually just want someone else to sort out the world you're making more dangerous.
Also literally yes I do, I live near a bushwalk exit that's popular, and have had a few knocks on the door by people busting or thirsty and I do help them because I'm not a horrible human who wants to watch someone shit themselves or pass out from heatstroke. What else could I do? If I wont who will. Would it be nice if the council put in a tap, bins, and a dunny? sure. In the meantime I will treat people who ask for a trivial bit of assistance with the decency and respect they deserve.
But they took the public options away due to private lobbying from big business so that the only places you can be comfortable in public are places of consumption. No public toilets, no public water sources, no drinking in public. Basically we're left with no escape to consumerism. Economic liberalism in the form of legalised bribes aka "lobbying" is to blame for this.
In the context of this meme, centrist liberalism is claiming progressive credentials on the left pane, and showing its true face on the right pane. Liberalism is all about private property. So no matter what they say about caring about these issues, if you're not paying you aren't welcome. Liberal values are phony because money always trumps them. Look at how Dems treated paying customer Israel vs non-paying folks in Gaza.
I don't have time to argue bc I have to go to my publicly funded job soon that's about to be gone because of Republicans, but as a civil libertarian I can tell you that's a completely BS argument.
If you'd like to read about privatized corporate government maybe check out this information on the Heritage Foundation and their role creating a "free market" in post Soviet Russia
Here you go:
Here is some info about the Heritage Foundation and the first go-between for US and Russia businesses
Here is some information about how right-wing billionaire Peter Thiel has been involved in Trump's privatization of unethical AI since at least 2017
It seems like a lot of the stuff being blamed on Elon Musk was actually Theil's idea, he was just smart enough to be quiet about it and let Elon be the face of taking a chainsaw to government bureaucracy (and consequently any publicly funded goods and services).
I'm not sure I understand what your point is. The US has been a plutocracy for a long time. The Republican vs Democrat debate is all about to what degree that is the case. The Democrats are slightly more benevolent when they are at the head of the plutocracy, I'll grant you that.
Tell me you've never had to clean blood of the walls of a stall in a toilet at your minimum wage retail job without telling me you've never had to clean blood off the wall of a stall in the toilet at your minimum wage retail job.
I get the joke, i agree with the message but I also agree with the bathroom being for customers only...
It's a mistake you only make once, they just need to use the bathroom and you feel like an asshole for turning them away so you let them use it and the next thing you know you're cleaning fucking blood off the fucking wall.
You know that isolated hostility is the end point of trying to protect yourself from harm right?
Being a good person and practicing pro social beliefs means opening yourself up to the possibility of being taken advantage of. It is ludicrous to hurt everyone, or at least an entire class of people, because of the occasional actions of some.
Tell me you’ve never had to clean blood of the walls of a stall in a toilet at your minimum wage retail job without telling me you’ve never had to clean blood off the wall of a stall in the toilet at your minimum wage retail job.
I have. I did it and if things go well, I'll be hired and it will be part of my job.
I've cleaned blood, piss, shit, vomit, cum. It wasn't pleasant. It won't be pleasant when I have to do it for minimum wage again.
I'm a broke bastard. I like being able to take a shit like any human being. Human beings should be able to take a shit without expecting to pay markups on concessions and things.
Why do we put a price on the human need of removing waste? The workers are already paid. The toilets are used no matter who uses them. The things must be cleaned already.
Exactly, I feel like this is kind of a BS argument made by the right to say this is why liberal values are fake vs on the flip side they would be showing a wrecked bathroom in a private business to prove why liberals are suckers and liberalism is unsustainable. Like "This is what liberals want for America."
In reality most liberals just want you to fairly tax that business and property owners and use those tax dollars to reinvest in the community by building and maintain public restrooms and other public spaces... It's really not rocket science.
Nobody could reasonably argue it's on you to provide public access to the bathroom in your home, why would it be different for a business? Guests/customers are one thing, but liberalism is not arguing it's on you as an individual to take care of society.
It's on society to take care of people, and on you to contribute to and reinvest in society as in individual to be part of something greater than just yourself.
It's on society to take care of people, and on you to contribute to and reinvest in society as in individual to be part of something greater than just yourself.
What exactly are you trying to say over all? That is a fine line and all, but all your comments in the thread revolve around protecting private property and less about private property rights.
They're thinking that everyone but themselves should help people. They're not society, but benefit from it.
Aka, they're a liberal who wants to be helped but refuse to help.
Left was posted by the staff. Right was posted by the owner.
Is this really a definition of liberalism or is it the definition of being liberal in a capitalist society?
What's the difference?
Why should a private business be anymore responsible for providing a public restroom than you should be for offering a restroom to the public vs reserving it for yourself and guests in your home?
If you pay taxes it should be on the government or local community to provide public availability to restrooms that are maintained with the tax dollars you and people in your community pay.
Radical Libertarian Capitalism
Everyone is equal, as long as you have the money.
No money? DIE, MOTHERFUCKER!
Real life Ferengi.
I always did like how the Ferengi found human slavery abhorrent.
But also didn't really acknowledge that their women were effectively slaves.
And they will stop welcoming any of those if it benefits them financially.
Liberalism is the closest thing to an ideology capitalists will ever have.
That's pretty much rainbow capitalism, which is but a small part of liberalism.
In reality, liberalism is much worse when it comes to things like human rights, singing it's praises and championing democracy and freedom while committing/supporting atrocities, like Bill Clinton administration's war crimes, Tony Blair's invasion of Iraq, EU's anti-immigration barbarism, Trudeau's arms sales, current Israel Palestine genocide, etc.
It's baffling how many regular people call themselves liberal while not seeing the contradictions/utter hypocrisy. Even on ideological level, you can't support things such as equality and free-market economics, they directly go against one another.
Neoliberalism is the belief in inequality based on class.
Fascism is the belief in inequality based on identity.
No wonder, it's just a small hop.
I saw a yard sign once that said "all are welcome here", right next to the "no trespassing" sign. Struck me as contradictory and made me curious what it meant to them.
“all are welcome here”, right next to the “no trespassing” sign
I read that as "I don't care who you are or what you look like, just make sure you're invited first"
restrooms must be a right... ;(
Food, housing and fair wages (especially to foreign workers) aren't even rights to these people, i highly doubt they're going to consider that
I don't understand this meme.
"This is a safe space for all vulnerable groups (that pay money to us)
Liberals ultimately agree that capitalism is the way to structure society (but make it inclusive and give people rights, etc etc), while the secondary sign shows exactly where that inclusive line is drawn.
the subtext of the meme is: liberals pay lip service to "supporting" marginalized groups, but refuse to help when their own interests are on the line (e.g. can people who aren't customers use the bathroom in the store? no, because making money comes first)
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