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Also noteworthy that not only are PS5 sales behind PS4, but the PlayStation's competition has almost entirely disappeared, and that hasn't resulted in more PlayStations sold.

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[-] tuckerm@feddit.online 123 points 2 weeks ago

In case anyone misread the headline the way I did: The PS5 is selling about the same as the PS4 did at this point in its lifespan. The headline kind of makes it sound like the PS4 is still selling as many consoles as the PS5 today.

Honestly, I'm kind of surprised that it's selling that well at all, considering how much of this generation has just been remasters of PS4 games.

[-] Goretantath@lemm.ee 33 points 2 weeks ago

Thats not misreading, thats them not being clear.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

On purpose.

[-] Strider@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Thank you, yes. That's a bad headline.

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[-] slaacaa@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yes, this means they sold a lot of PS5s, very surprising. The PS4 was extremely successful

[-] Protoknuckles@lemmy.world 65 points 2 weeks ago

This generation lacked must play games or technological breakthroughs. It was just kinda... there?

[-] Oneser@lemm.ee 49 points 2 weeks ago

System based exclusives meaning you might not be able to play a game you want to in the future, expensive subscriptiona needed to play online, push to digital DRM controlled games.. it's almost like consoles killed themselves?

Well the alternative is PC gaming, and building a competitive PC aint cheap. I remember on launch people were building computers with similar performance to the xbone/ps4. But now that entry level dGPUs aren't a thing, and even mid range GPUs are expensive you get fucked either way.

The PS5 is at least powerful on launch. The 4 was on par with like a regular APU.

[-] sparky1337@ttrpg.network 19 points 2 weeks ago

It used to be easy to build a PC that was double the performance of a console for the same price. And it was even easier if you sourced slightly used current hardware. Now you’re lucky to get last gen hardware for a decent price used. The market is garbage.

Back in 2014 you could get brand new motherboards for ~$50, where it’s difficult to find any under $150 that provide decent features. I think the most expensive thing at the time was NAND due to flooded factories but everything else was super cheap.

[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 12 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

You know, I just finished building my machine the other day. And yeah it wasn’t cheap, but if you’re willing to forgo Nvidia… It’s actually a lot more affordable than you think. The new AMD’s smoke too.

$1700 all in. 9800x3d, 9070, aorus b650 board, 32gb ram, 2TB SSD, 850w be quiet PSU, a case that’s a bit too big with lots of airflow and built in fans. If I had gone with a 7xxx cpu and shaved other parts down i could’ve easily gotten it down to $1400. Less if I went with a previous gen GPU.

You can build an ok machine for like $800 and a damn solid one for $1100.

Edit: forgot to say I went with a bazzite boot, no windows/dual boot. Played expedition 33 maxed out all settings at 90fps, 75-80 on dips

[-] VirgilMastercard@reddthat.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

Personal anecdote. My PC cost me £900 in 2017. I haven't upgraded it since. I have saved a significant amount of money in that time that would otherwise have been spent on PlayStation Plus for the benefit of playing multiplayer and the general higher price of games.

Even if you accept the argument that consoles are significantly cheaper in the first place, the point that PC ownership saves money in the long run is often overlooked.

I've never owned as many games for as little cost as I do now.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

And the games that really demand the high-end hardware tend to be pretty rare in the grand scheme of things, not to mention less likely to be as good as the low spec games. I always joke with my friends that I might buy a killer new PC in the next year or so, but my most-played game will still be a 2D game from 2012 that absolutely doesn't need it.

[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah I definitely over-spec’d my machine but that was largely because I was able to sell some old video and audio equipment I don’t use anymore to fund it. Figured I’d go for a “great for a decade” build. Got lots of slots I can still use for HDD’s, more ram, etc. if needed. And for $1700 it absolutely screams man. Running on bazzite, getting fantastic performance.

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[-] Carnelian@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

A certified refurbished ps5 can be had right at this moment for $399, $450 new. I game on PC for many other reasons but the performance for value is pretty amazing on the ps5

[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 weeks ago

I agree. I was a console guy until this past weekend. My series S was money well spent, like my PS4 before it!

However, I have a way bigger library now with cheaper games (also hundreds of free ones because I share a family library with other big gamers on Steam), it plays and looks better, and in 5+ years I’ll still be rocking AAA games long after the PS5 has sunset.

I am actually a big defender of console gaming. It has a place and can be a very affordable option, especially when Nvidia cards are literally thousands of dollars. But PC gaming is often more economical in the long run if you throw down more upfront and do your research.

[-] Carnelian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Same, yeah I mean once you’re established the actual cost of games on steam is ludicrously small depending on your habits. I’m pretty much locked-in to pc gaming simply for the love of indie titles that more often than not do not get published to consoles. Lots of those games are just straight up free

We also have to consider the value the computer itself serves beyond just gaming. If you’re gonna get a $500 ps5 and you’re already going for an $800-$1200 computer, well hey. You could really get the best of both worlds without affecting the budget. Probably could even save money

But I think there’s also a big group that isn’t in that situation. I know plenty of people who rock like a chromebook and the cheapest xbox. Or people who only play like NBA 2k or something. Or people who play 1-2 big titles a year when they get caught in the hype train, and can enjoy them at 4k60fps for the much lower upfront cost

[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

You can also buy a used PC or laptop or CPU/GPU/..., buying them new when you want good performance for value is nonsense.

[-] Carnelian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Certainly, but we’d then have to compare with the used ps5 market, which dips well below $300.

Can a used pc or a build with used components be had with comparable performance to ps5? Even with a much larger budget of say, $800?

[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I can’t imagine finding a used PS5 in decent condition for sub-$300 man. That’s a bit far fetched. That’s “buddy who doesn’t need it did me a solid” pricing. I say this as someone who absolutely considers consoles an (often) economical choice. Cheapest I’m seeing is a digital with no controller “for parts or as is” on eBay for $225.

[-] Carnelian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Why not? Like I said the certified refurbished directly from Sony is $399. Plenty of listings up right now for $285-330

But even if we compare new consoles to used PCs I think the conclusion is the same

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[-] frezik@midwest.social 8 points 2 weeks ago

If you're not too stuck on modern AAA titles, PC gaming is cheap. Possibly the cost of the electricity coming out of the wall.

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

I think more and more people have done the math on what your break-even is with a PC up front compared to noncompetitive digital console storefronts, needless forced obsolescence, and subscription fees.

[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 weeks ago

Mini pcs are a thing and they get better every year.

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[-] SolidShake@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I haven't payed to play online in years. Like mid PS4 life. Online only games don't require a subscription.

[-] match@pawb.social 11 points 2 weeks ago

Switch ate them all while being 2 generations behind

[-] ICastFist@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago

After Nintendo saw how much the Wii succeeded while effectively being a gamecube with motion controls and a DVD drive vs. two "top tier titans", they never bothered again with being at the forefront of tech, which possibly felt like a homecoming, considering the Famicom was kinda underpowered at release, but cheap to produce.

[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 9 points 2 weeks ago

The PS5 thus far has been mainly a final fantasy machine if you ask me. Half the games people play are remasters (or just the straight up original launch version) of PS4 games. It’s coasting heavily on that catalog.

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[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 6 points 2 weeks ago

Its not ps5, its ps4 pro pro. They’re the same console and Im tired of pretending otherwise.

[-] ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 5 points 2 weeks ago

This implies the PS5 pro is the PS4 pro pro pro

[-] TimeSquirrel@kbin.melroy.org 5 points 2 weeks ago

technological breakthroughs

What, the dumbass case design with the useless flat corner bits awkwardly sticking out of it wasn't innovative enough for you?

[-] ampersandrew@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, if you're a fighting game player, the innovation is impossible to miss. Now there's only one USB port on the front, so when you play at locals and majors, you have to spin the console around to blow all the heat directly at the people trying to play a competitive match so that their controller cords will reach the additional USBs in back. Also it gets hot enough to melt the connectors that you're plugging in there. Also we all had to update our controllers specifically for PS5 even though our PS4 controllers still functioned just fine. So innovative.

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[-] vxx@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

PS4 was when xbox users switched over to PlayStation.

PS5 was when PS4 users users switched back to the roots, a PC.

[-] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

This is true for me. I did not buy a ps5, but instead a PC. There are no games on ps5 that I want to play that I cannot play on PC.

[-] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago

And the more people do the same the less console exclusives there will be (outside of the Nintendo ecosystem)

[-] frezik@midwest.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

And this coming release will be the first time I'm not going to bother about a new Nintendo console going back to the original. For context, I even like the Virtual Boy. Nintendo has done everything possible to make themselves unlikable.

[-] MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, the hardest thing is really going to be GTA6. The reason I bought a PS4 was GTA5. Needing to wait 2 years to play GTA6 on PC will be a tough thing to swing.

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[-] Omegamanthethird@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

This headline would imply that PS4 users are upgrading to PS5 at almost the same rate that they upgraded or moved to the PS4.

Honestly, it's pretty surprising considering the PS4 is still kind of a current console. I'd think a lot of people would be satisfied staying with the PS4 and still getting most of the games that are coming out.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It's a growing market though.

Xbox one and X/S sales are neck in neck with xbox 360 sales too.

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

Wouldn't that imply it's not a growing market anymore?

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[-] Saleh@feddit.org 3 points 2 weeks ago

I think the jump is more Covid related than having to do with any of the other consoles.

[-] vxx@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Possible, but the market grew after that as well, while consoles stagnated.

I got a PC in 2020 when PS5 was released for 1200€ at your scalper of choice. So the statistics reflect my own switch perfectly.

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[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago

A used ps4 is probably the best value in gaming right now. For ~$200 you can get the console and a bunch of games.

[-] smeg@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

The best time to buy a console is just after its sequel is released, lots of people upgrading and selling their old one with all the games and controllers

[-] frezik@midwest.social 2 points 2 weeks ago

I always said that about the PS2, or early model PS3s if you can get one for a reasonable price. Backwards compatibility galore.

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[-] Kinokoloko@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago

This is the first console generation where I bought and sold a console before the next gen came along. I got one of those PS5 emails while they were still somewhat limited, and decided to jump on it like a dumbass. Two years later, sold it to recoup the cost of my Steam Deck. The only real exclusive it has that I played was the Demon's Souls remake, and that just wasn't enough to convince me to keep it around. Looks like the other exclusives I have missed out on since then is...(checks notes)...Astro Bot...and that's it. Oh well.

[-] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Im amazed its selling so well considering its pointless.

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