Maybe we should stop FUCKING AROUND if we dont want to find out?
100% numerous people in the US military know that they're sitting on extremely expensive ships/aircraft/vehicles that are with modern enough weaponry, easy to destroy. A question of whether they have the power, for enough time required, to fix the bloat
Difficult and expensive to develop, manufacturer, maintain. Trapped in service contracts with completely single source suppliers, no alternatives. If it wasn't so expensive to maintain, even just the ammunition, maybe it wouldn't be such a panic situation but well after pretty much constantly being at war since the countries inception, the US is sitting on an albatross of a military. Not just all the equipment but how much employment is tied to supporting the albatross. Albatross multiplied hard with Iraq and Afghanistan paired with all the tax cuts since Reagan. Without Afghanistan and Iraq, probably wouldn't be so wallet concerned for for a good amount longer
Lol I'm sure a blitzed Pete Hegseth will fix these problems.
Apparently, it was DEI keeping the planes in the air, so our new crackerforce is dumping the planes overboard. Won't have to worry about them if we give them to the orcas.
Good for them
Wait, an f35? THAT F35? The super expensive, country sinking cost, MULTIPLE TRILLION dollar (with a capital T, that's X,000,000,000,000 USD), super late, overbudget, multiple decade long development (80s-2010s?), the "that's too expensive, cut everything that made it unique out" F-35?
The F-35 program that KEEPS getting MORE expensive?
The F-35 that, if you look at a pie chart of ALL of United States budget, would be a singular visible chunk?
The F-35 project that's commonly cited when learning about logical fallacies as an example of sunk cost fallacy?
yea they're shooting at em now
Millennium Challenge 2002.
That's when we learned that low tech can beat high tech in this manner.
Did they learn the lesson at DOD? Of course not. They demoted the guy who won and made him play out a cosplay battle where America Wins!
Oh I remember hearing about this but forgot the name. Primo “military intelligence is an oxymoron” stuff.
I wouldn't say they learned nothing from that war game. They've never done to Iran what they did to the other six of the infamous seven that the Bushies planned to dismantle. I suspect that that war game is a factor in that decision. This thing with the Houthis serves to refresh their memories I guess. At least I hope. Who knows, with this admin, anything can happen
The F-35, participating in Operation Rough Rider against the Houthis, was forced to take evasive action to avoid the missile.
So, they had to, like, dodge a missile? And that is panic worthy?
It had to rely on a last resort as opposed to its primary defensive system which constricts its design in a big way, its stealth component.
It's a stealth plane apparently, so I guess it wasn't supposed to be seen, but they saw it.
Supposedly the F35 should never have been seen or detected in the first place.
The fact that a missile was tracking it and they had to dodge it means that these stealth capabilities are lacking.
What? They can see and hear our blaringly loud war bird spewing kilotonnes of hellfire over their heads? But we paid a gogol of dinaros so it would be invisible!
I heard it's supposed to be super stealthy and really smart, so I guess they didn't expect to even have to do that lol. Otherwise, we could spend less money and use the older less stealthy and technologically advanced jets.
Enter Maverick, ready to fly the old jets.
it evades cheap missiles but at what cost!?
You’d think evading something would be a success
Not when you're flying the second most expensive type of airplane that is so expensive they can only build a few of them and whose strength is supposed to be undetectability.
evading prehistoric weaponry is a bad sign
So... the article describes that:
... the simplistic nature of the [Houthi Anti Air] systems also helps them to avoid earlier detection by America’s advanced equipment. “Many of the [SAMs] are also improvised, leveraging non-traditional passive infrared sensors and jury-rigged air-to-air missiles that provide little to no early warning of a threat, let alone an incoming attack,”
and:
but the Houthis claim that the Barq-1 and Barq-2 [Iranian AA missle systems] have maximum ranges of 31 miles and 44 miles and can engage targets at altitudes of 49,000 feet and 65,000 feet, respectively.
with some of these missiles being:
capable of firing Taer variants also reportedly have electro-optical and/or infrared camera to aid in target acquisition, identification, and tracking.”
... So I find it rather odd to describe passive IR guided AA missiles as 'non-traditional'.
I think a better phrase would be 'novel' or 'unaccounted for'.
Passive IR missiles of different exact specifications are... pretty common through the entire history of ... just missiles, in general.
Jet engine exhaust is extremely hot, and it would seem the F35 is not actually as good at masking it as previously thought, probably when its flying away from the missile launcher and is thus showing its big hot ass... if passive IR + electro optical missiles can get this close.
('electro-optical' is a fancy term for basically a visual spectrum camera + computer tracking an identified target... you know, like a snapchat face filter...)
Star trek 6, "well the thing's gotta have a tailpipe."
" probably when its flying away from the missile launcher and is thus showing its big hot ass... "
Stupid, sexy joint strike fighter.
I have a soft spot for new planes being shot down by "outdated" technologies.
[translations, copypasted, so you don't have to visit the source on reddit]
translations:
- "Sorry, your plane is on fire"(rhymes in Serbian)
- "Mine is visible, but doesn't crash!"
- "Airplane junkyard: 'We have F-117 parts!'"
- "The ground suddenly got in his way"
- "Missed the Surčin airport"
- "Look, daddy, no hands!"
- "What's going to happen with the White House? I'm going to set it on fire!"
- "Give us another one... I need a roof for my pig pen!"
Followed by three more phrases which don't translate well.
- "Like a child knows what is invisible"
- "We'll fuck, NATO, my bro!"
- "Short but 'effective' "
Goes to show, that technology can only get you so far, if your doctrine sucks.
Also, they downed one and damaged another, why did they cross of three?
Why are three marked off? They only shot down the one?
The reddit thread proposes it could have been a lie for propaganda.
They are supposedly invisible, so you could never know
TBF, taking down an advanced USA fighter jet is a tad less impressive when they are apparently falling into the sea on a regular basis
At least some of those aircraft appear to be falling into the sea because Aircraft Carriers are having to make rather extreme turns, evasive manuevers, in order to evade other Houthi missiles / drones.
Inflatable bumpers that can be activated during emergency maneuvers to keep planes on deck.
Please donate my billion dollar idea profits to lemmy in my name. Thanks.
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