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[-] Red0ctober@lemmy.world 69 points 1 month ago

I really hope that the Dems leadership actually listens for once. Chasing these mythical "reasonable Republicans" has not worked, will not work, and will continue moving the Overton window further right.

So I'm sure that's exactly what they'll do. Could we please get another party that actually represents people???

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 49 points 1 month ago

Here's the thing. No.

We don't really have two parties. We have oligarchs in control of both parties, and both parties work together to make sure no more parties can exist. They do this by making it seem like the right and the left are opposed to each other, but really both work together to keep you down.

We can't fix this with parties. What we need to do is abolish parties. Prevent rich people from consolidating power. Give no small group of power-hungry bastards the ability to control everything. This means a drastic overhaul, and the people in power are not going to give it up willingly. They won't fight fair, they won't accept the results of an election unless it goes their way, and they won't give you an opportunity to win.

[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago

We need to draft a new constitution.

[-] aceshigh@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

… that’s what shithead is trying to do…

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[-] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 5 points 1 month ago

I agree with the sentiment, but I do not agree that political parties should be abolished. Instead, there should be proportional representation, and more political parties, with more perspectives — the majority of solutions come from a democracy.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Parties are just a power transfer from voters to oligarchs. Coalition governments are just as easy to manipulate as two-party systems. Politicians shouldn't be permitted a short-hand explanation of what they stand for. They should be required to make a full throated defense of their positions on the record. Parties provide political cover to do unpopular things while pretending to not be in a position to stop it.

[-] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

You do have a point, but what would be the alternative? I have considered direct democracy, but the ultra-wealthy may still use that to their advantage.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

You can still elect representatives, you just remove money from the equation. Candidates are given a public forum to share ideas, provide their credentials, and debate issues. Voters use a STAR voting system to vote for all the candidates they like. Special interest groups are free to speak and advertise all they want, but they cannot promote or attack a specific candidate.

It's more or less how local primaries work, just on a larger scale.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

How do you have proportional representation with a president? And from what it seems like your president is king.

[-] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

You do need to change the system, but you can keep the President, reduce the President's powers, and have a prime-minister to take care of many areas.

P.S.: I am from Portugal, he's definitely not my President.

[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

I really hope that the Dems leadership actually listens for once

They had power because the DNC was behind them, and due to the "victory fund" the DNC controlled the purse strings of a lot of state parties.

The voting members of the DNC listened, and elected a nonbiased DNC chair for the first time in decades.

So now the senior elected Dems don't have anyone behind them. Seniority only mattered as tradition, they can all lose their leadership positions now if they lose the next round of leadership votes.

Could we please get another party that actually represents people???

We basically did already. The Chair has ultimate control of the party, and we got a drastic change in chair.

[-] kreskin@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The Chair has ultimate control of the party, and we got a drastic change in chair.

Oh "drastic" change huh? First thing the new Dem chair (Martin) did was put up that right-leaning zionist bluedog centrist idiot Slotkin to rebutt trumps state of the union speech. Thats some impressive change. And its been Dems collaborating on republican votes since then, hasnt it. I think you got conned by propoganda, buddy.

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Another party won't help. They have already gotten their fix in. Voting doesn't matter in the US anymore.

Voting won't save us now. Self defense and community defense are all we have left. The system has been stolen by the ultra rich, and they are gleefully enacting as much violence against us all as they want, because they "know" they don't have to listen to us anymore. The only fix is to Luigi the violent class.

https://sdvoice.info/trump-lost-vote-suppression-won-here-are-the-numbers/

https://youtu.be/UgIay64Obcs

https://youtu.be/t-yr-Mgkhm0

https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta

First and last links are the data. The middle links are for us stupid people that need to be told how to read the data in the last link.

[-] Flamekebab@piefed.social 48 points 1 month ago

Americans: We're very unhappy with the status quo
Dems: Best I can do is more status quo

I'm watching from the sidelines but my gods, you guys need to take your politicians to account. Bricks for the current lot first, mind. The two "sides" aren't equal - one is awful and the other is redefining how bad human beings can be without directly sending people to gas chambers.

[-] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

Some of us have been trying. The masses tend to bully and tell us it's all our fault, somehow. According to the Democrats and their base, progressives are simultaneously too weak and unimportant to listen to, and so powerful that we can swing entire elections. I'm still waiting to hear how that one makes sense.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago

And yet progressives say their policies are so supported and yet they can barely get Anyone elected.

Begs to wonder how that makes sense too or else they would've tea partied the dems by now.

I wish it were true but either progressives are too few or too lazy. Either way, same result.

[-] Saleh@feddit.org 8 points 1 month ago

The DNC is spending a lot of money and effort to keep Progressives down. See Bernie 2016, see lack of proper primaries in 2024, see having some old ghoul with cancer snap a seat from AOC to then retire a few month later because of his cancer.

[-] doctordevice@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

See the part about the Democratic Party actively working against progressives, to the point of funding propaganda against them. The Dems saw the Tea Party and care more about avoiding that with progressives than they do about running candidates that can either beat the Republicans or serve the people.

And from what you just said: you'd better have never once blamed progressives for losing the Democrats an election if you're taking the "progressives are too weak" position.

[-] timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If progressives were numerous enough that wouldn't matter.

Somehow the magats got their psychos in power over a number of years. Progressives don't.

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[-] 60d@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 month ago

The gas chambers will be televised.

Murca is so fucked.

[-] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 40 points 1 month ago

Time for a Labor Party in America.

[-] justineie_bobeanie@lemmy.world 9 points 1 month ago

Now is the time for world socialist revolution. The time for a Labor Party was 60 years ago. Instead, the leadership of the trade union movement subordinated itself to the Democratic Party and imperialism. This process has been replicated worldwide in the various Social Democratic and Labor parties in support of capitalist exploitation and imperialist war. The entire system is in a state of advanced decay and historical bankruptcy with no possibility of meaningful reform.

[-] HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Can't use the word socialism, the well has been thoroughly poisoned as a buzzword

[-] match@pawb.social 1 points 1 month ago

we still generally need ground work and revolutionary momentum

[-] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I keep writing my senators. One senator I voted for under the Working Families' Party (his name next to both WFP and Dem). The Second Senator is an old fart who I wanted to look up to, but continues to enable the R party as a Dem.

I write them often, and a few days ago, wrote the old fart to let him know his actions directly are why I just changed my voter registration to independent. Im no longer registered Democrat. I was there for Bernie, and nothing good has come of anything over my 10 years as a Dem. I write the WFP senator to remind him I voted for him under that party name.

Will it do anything? I don't know, but I hope everyone is writing thier senators and reps at least bi weekly. Its so easy to do today, you dont even need a stamp!

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 34 points 1 month ago

"The “What Happened in 2024” report confirms that 30 million voters who showed up to the polls in 2020 failed to materialize in 2024. That is a big number, and it represents the largest number of drop-off voters dating back to 2012, when 27 million voters failed to return to the polls."

It wasn't a "drop off" and I was telling people why this was going to happen before the election.

The 2020 numbers were artificially inflated by vote by mail covid precautions.

Republican precincts saw the increased Democratic turnout and actively worked to make vote by mail harder which limited participation and when fewer people vote that only helps Republicans.

It was all so predictable and the fix is 100% vote by mail EVERYWHERE.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 16 points 1 month ago

Vote by mail addresses a huge obstacle to voting, employment. A lot of people can't take time off to vote.

Opening more voting sites would also be a good idea.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

What your polls close before people get off work? We have 3 hour law if need 3 hours to vote put if polls close at 7 and you get off at 5 it means you have to get off by 4 to have a 3 hour block to vote.

[-] Death_Equity@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

Not everybody has a 9 to 5.

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[-] RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Yes voter suppression is very effective

[-] Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 month ago

COVID people, that's why the huge turnout in 2020, nothing else. Especially mail-in ballots.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Pretty much, look at a non-covid election and compare vote by mail states to the average American turnout.

I'm biased because I live in Oregon and we tie voter registration to DMV licenses AND do 100% vote by mail.

2016: 80.33% voter turnout.
2018: 67.8%
2020: 78.5%
2022: 66.9%
2024: 75%

In 2016 there were 2,553,808 registrants and 2,051,452 voters, compared with 2020 and 2,951,428 registrants and 2,317,965 voters.

In 2024, the difference was negligible, 75% returning ballots and 2,308,256 voters. Yeah, a slight drop, but then we had a bunch of people die from Covid too.

Sources:

https://sos.oregon.gov/elections/Documents/Voter_Turnout_History_General_Election.pdf

https://www.opb.org/article/2024/12/26/oregon-voter-turnout-dropped-75-percent-2024-election/

If you compare that to the national averages:

2016: 59.2%
2018: 49% (highest mid-term turnout since 1914)
2020: 65.3%
2022: 46% (highest since 1970)
2024: 63.5%

Sources:

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/data/voter-turnout-in-presidential-elections

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voter-turnout-2018-2022/

[-] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

Not just that, but making voting day a holiday would help. Make it a friday to monday four day event for fucks sake!

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

If we had 100% vote by mail, we wouldn't need a holiday. :)

[-] schema@lemmy.world 29 points 1 month ago

"Now if we just could be a little bit more like the republicans, that'll surely work this time around."

[-] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 1 month ago

Dem strategist brains are as wormy as RFK Jr’s, they’ll never accept that it was anything other than the moral impurity of the voting base that lost them the election.

[-] frazw@lemmy.world 15 points 1 month ago

"It's not the product it's the marketing" - Dems (probably)

[-] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 10 points 1 month ago

We need to abandon the Democratic Party at this point. Democrats are not capable of winning national elections. The Democratic Party is not run by serious people who actually intend on winning power and wielding it wisely. Those still telling folks to vote for Democrats are not politically serious people. The only future can be found in parties like the Working Families Party. Centrists will simply need to hold their nose, quit dividing the left, and vote for progressive candidates. Remember, a vote for a Democrat is a vote for a Republican. Democrats can't win national elections. In a two party system, we can't afford to throw our votes away on parties that are doomed to lose.

[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The democrats literally held the presidency until 5mo ago dude lol I agree they’re horribly mismanaged at times and right now they are way off base with their constituents, but to act like they are just some consistently losing party is ridiculous. Almost 2/3 of the country is governed by Democrats. Most Americans are represented by democrats as well.

[-] Auli@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

They literally won one election ago.

[-] JcbAzPx@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

That's great, all we need now is another worldwide pandemic with millions of deaths to push through whatever idiot the DNC decides to run.

[-] Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 1 month ago

My vote was against rump roast, not FOR the Dem running office in 2020.

I'm not for any candidate standing against Medicare for all and the working people.

So yeah they won, but not because of love for the party.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 month ago

They have no interest in listening to constituents. The “us or all hell breaks loose” tactic has worked too many times.

[-] RedditIsDeddit@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

And Republicans stole the election

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