Can we finally get some affordable 10GbE switches too?
what is "affordable" to you? there are $100-$300 10GbE switches out there.
I'd like something that can replace my dinky little unmanaged 16-port gigabit switch for less than $300. Right now The only things I can find in that price bracket have maybe 5 ports. I'd settle for something that can just do 2.5/5Gb on all ports.
Yeah what I've settled on is one of those $40 generic Chinese 4x2.5G PoE+2x10G SFP+ switches. Gives me:
Would be great to get another 10G for the NAS as well!
but home Internet is still stuck at Gigabit speeds.... and only in some cases are they maybe letting you go to 2 Gb. Wasn't there that post floating around lemmy a while ago about how China can potentially give everyone like 5Gb for home or something? Can't find it now but swore it was here....
I think 10GbE is more intended for local applications than for internet. Say, you have a NAS with a RAID array of nvme drives for video editing purposes that you want to access from a few workstations.
Even the other day I was quite happy to have 2.5GbE when I installed my new gaming PC, and steam was able to pull all my games directly from my old computer rather than downloading them over the internet again.
Anyway, LAN speeds have always been an order of magnitude higher than common internet speeds, so I don't see the issue.
Serious question: What do you use a 10GbE adapter for? Are there ISPs which offer 10gigabit bandwidth? I suppose it would be useful on a LAN
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Bro, tell that my German table first.
This is going to be a huge help for home video editors.
I recently started using USB 3.2 2x2 (20Gbps) and it's orgasmic experience to what I had before
At least it's not Marvell. But, man, can we pay another 17c and get .... I guess not Broadcom as they're waxing seriously dinkish, but who else?
Intel is probably still the gold standard. I'd pay a few bucks more to have something much more reliable.
Intel is probably still the gold standard.
I guess you're not familiar with the i225-v and its variants. Intel burned their reputation for good NICs with that fiasco.
About damn time. We got a boost every few years from 10 to 100 to 1000. Then we just... Stopped. Stagnated. It's understandable why, for a good long time one gigabit was all anybody needed, 100 MByte/sec is pretty good even for a NAS.
Of course then fiber ISPs got in the game, now in a lot of places you can buy 7-8gbps as a consumer product. And even multi-gig, which was supposed to 'fix' this, really ended up being insufficient. You could make a salad argument that multi gig was a waste of time and we should have just started moving to 10 gig.
Unfortunately, 10 gig switches still carry a significant premium. But this will start to shake that up. Sooner the better.
100MB/s are frustrating for a NAS. SSDs have been common for a decade, and the old spinning rust storage in my NAS is still faster than the network can handle?
Even HDDs can max a 100mbit connection. UHD Blurray is something like 80-150mbit/a.
100 MByte/sec. 8 bits per byte, call it 10 when you include overhead / CRC / etc.
1000 mbit = 100 mbyte
Sure. My point was that even for 100mbit/s, even UHD could probably still be streamed.
HDDs can probably max a 1gbit/s connection as well (often get 150MB/s sequential), which is more than sufficient for multiple IHD streams. Moving to 10gbit/s really isn't needed for anything, and SSDs aren't needed either to max a gbit/s network, unless doing random reads (i.e. lots of small files).
All true. But what if you aren't just storing media for consumption? What if you're doing photo editing, video editing, etc? If your NAS is either flash-based or has a flash cache, that extra speed can be really useful.
Are you saying you'd be loading all that data strictly over the network instead of having a local copy that gets synced periodically? That would be terrible on a 100 mbit/s line... If that was my workflow, I'd run 10 gbit/s cable everywhere and make sure clients had at least 2.5G.
I use my NAS for local backups and streaming when we watch something as a family. 100 mbit/s would be fine for that use case.
Yes I am, and that is exactly the point. I do not want spinning disks in my desktop, or anyone's desktop or laptop. Give the actual computer a fast SSD for the OS and programs, then store the big data on a NAS or server. How's the computer access it from that server in real time.
At 100 megabits (10 megabytes per second) that isn't very fun. Gigabit ethernet is 100 megabytes per second give or take. That is where it starts to become useful for storage, as most spinning disks themselves have a transfer rate between 100 and 150 megabytes per second.
But as you just pointed out, that can become a bottleneck. Especially if you have multiple people accessing the server. How much of a problem it becomes depends on what they're doing. IE, 10 people editing photos can happily share a gigabit link to the server because they load the photo once and then the link sits idle while they work as the photo is cached in RAM, 10 people editing uncompressed high definition video will probably want a constant full gigabit to each of them because they'll be using almost all of it constantly so you need a gigabit to each desk and 10 gig to the server (and a storage array with sufficient bandwidth)
You could look into automatic local caching for diles you're planning to seed, and stick that on an SSD. That way you don't hammer the HDDs in the NAS and still get the good feels of seeding. Then automatically delete files once they get to a certain seed rate or something and you're golden.
How aggressive you go with this depends on your actual use case. Are you actually editing raw footage over the network while multiple other clients are streaming other stuff? Or are you just interested in having it be capable? What's the budget?
But that sounds complicated. I'd personally rather just DIY it, that way you can put an SSD in there for cache and you get most of the benefits with a lot less cost, and you should be able to respond to issues with minimal changes (i.e. add more RAM or another caching drive).
Ahhh. First world problems are always a great read
It's... a technology community.
I know, and tech takes time but trickles down eventually. It's still an amusing comment when you're not from a developed country though
My 25 mbps isp speeds make me sad.
Australian too?
i mourn the loss of full fibre NBN
every
damn
day
… fuck the liberals
Early 2000s say hello
IIRC I had like 1Mbps around early 2000 (like 2004 maybe), and the thing was that it was "always on", no need to beep boop bzrrr use the phone line (like blocking it).
This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.
