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Pretty sure they blocked me after I commented, so no screenshot.

The US essentially has no restrictions on what parents can do to their children, or pay to have done to them. These companies will show up at night, and take a child out of their bed at night. They explicitly tell parents not to warn the kid what will happen.

Imagine being woken up in the middle of the night, maybe forced to quickly pack, and then be loaded in a van. You have no idea where you are going or why or who or what is going on. You get taken to a facility which is basically a cult. You might be dumped out in rural Utah, with people that have zero training in wilderness safety, who might punish you by denying you food and water.

Children die in these places all the fucking time. There generally is no state or federal oversight of these facilities - so there aren’t really investigations. These places are havens for child predators.

When I was sexually abused at a similar facility and tried to report it - I was placed on heavy doses of antipsychotics in retaliation. They drugged me unconscious, and then punished me for sleeping during “class.” As an adult, I have involuntary shakes and movements associated with the medical malpractice enacted on me.

These places don’t get investigated, they don’t get shut down. I think Utah is one of the only states with any form of agency that watches over these places. Child protective services won’t go in, health care agencies won’t go in.

Children have no rights in the US. They are the property of their parents, to be disposed of as they wish. And fuckers like this agency are delighted to kidnap children that their parents can’t be assed to parent.

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[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 28 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Guess it’s time to share this again.

GET YOUR FEELINGS OUT

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

I’ve only been able to make it to page 10. People often mock the idea of being “triggered” but fuck, it makes me need my trazadone. I want to print this in full color and leave it everywhere I can.

[-] LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 11 points 6 months ago

Apologies for contributing to that feeling, definitely wasn’t my intention to upset you!

For those who haven’t read it and are unfamiliar with the horrific team abuse industry this comic depicts, it’s quite a fucking journey.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It’s great - I actually shared it as one of the links in my post. People do need to know what these places look like, and that visceral reaction I have to it hopefully means that it inspires others.

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[-] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 months ago

I made it to chapter 60 over the last 90 minutes.

I can’t even describe how angry I feel about that. Expletives don’t fit. I’m not big on death penalty, but I think these people deserve it - more than some who are sentenced to death.

I also am feeling incredibly grateful that my parents didn’t get caught up in the scam.

[-] ZC3rr0r@lemmy.ca 7 points 6 months ago

Thank you for sharing this. Probably one of the hardest reads of my life, it's incredibly powerful and well written so it conveys the horrors of the experience in an almost visceral way.

It also really helped me understand at a much more personal level how these addiction/reeducation camps and cults break people mentally and emotionally.

Sure, you read about these kinds of things happening in the news, but it never hit home for me what that experience is like until reading this.

Thank you.

[-] nothingcorporate@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I just spent a couple hours reading the first 70 chapters. That is hard to read and impossible to stop reading.

[-] kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

wtf

is this real? I didn't read past whenvhe was given anti lice to shower, but can you tell me : are yhe parents responsible for this ?

[-] ladel@feddit.uk 3 points 6 months ago

This is so engrossing. I've made it to chapter 77 while "working". What a story.

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[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 3 points 6 months ago

Oh my god he became a drug kingpin

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 points 6 months ago

ive been reading this for about 5-6 hours, it's been worth it

[-] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 3 points 6 months ago

Finished it

[-] pixelkitty@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago

Even after countless exposés done on these places there are STILL no serious investigations being done. I’m so sorry that happened to you :(

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 29 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Allegand Jones was killed after refusing to undress for a staff member. Youth Villages at Bartlett is still operating.

It’s these southern states. “Parental rights” is always a code for “children are property to be disposed as we wish.”

[-] Quadhammer@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

But if it's a got dam fetus

[-] SARGE@startrek.website 5 points 6 months ago

Well yeah, fetuses are the perfect thing to platform.

They don't make any demands on you.

As far as the US government is concerned at least, they don't require food, water, shelter, or any assistance. It's all on the mother. Not "the PARENTS", mind you. The mother.

Pregnancy complications? Mother's fault. Never mind that she couldn't get Healthcare, food, or shelter for herself. Those things are commie-social-Marxism if we just gave them to her.

And when the fetus pops out as a baby after hopefully 9 months, it's again on the mother to provide. Never mind that she can't afford Healthcare for herself or her child, or food, or daycare so she can work to afford those things, or, or, or...

And if you think otherwise, clearly you are a spawn of Satan and hate America, something something Jesus.

[-] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 6 months ago

Theres also "grandparents rights" in some places; some people cant keep their own abusive parent away from their kid(s).

[-] chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 months ago

The fact that these places exist and aren't shut down has always really bothered me, horrible stuff

[-] mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

the things they can justify with religion should give anyone pause.

[-] theblips@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago

How is the USA a real country

[-] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

Well considering that North Korea and Russia exist it’s not soooo far fetched. The real surprise is how it has been considered until recently as THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. We were so blind…

[-] Nangijala@feddit.dk 14 points 6 months ago

Tbf, only Americans considered America the best country in the world. The rest of us have seen it as a third world country in denial when it comes to social issues for decades. The only non-americans who think America is the greatest are people who live in scrap metal shacks in countries run by dictators and egotistical assholes who hate welfare and Healthcare.

[-] a4ng3l@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

I wonder how recently « the rest of us » built that opinion because from my 43 years as a European I certainly saw a lot of adulation of USA for as long as I remember. Even the healthcare pov is rather recent… For a long ass time they were certainly seen as our betters.

[-] altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 months ago

Post-WW2 industrial boom + Hollywood + Internet\media presence in US&EU anglosphere due to 300kk+ population.

I think for the persons under 50 this image started to fall apart with 9\11 + Lemon Brothers + the first Trump presidency.

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[-] GluWu@lemm.ee 11 points 6 months ago

There was a post recently, IIRC one of the kids ran away, the "camp" didn't report it, and the police killed the kid.

There was someone in the comments that defended it, they "worked in the industry". I didn't have the guts to call them out on working in the terrorism industry against children, even though my instance is getting deleted this month.

Fuck this and everyone involved

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

I just found out that my facility claimed another life, within the months I’ve been trying to get the state to investigate it. Not reported anywhere, just personally have been loud enough to have former employees reach out to me.

Fuck anyone involved who doesn’t become a whistleblower.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Some states absolutely have cracked down on these types of places, as they were notoriously used for conversion therapy, among other terrible purposes. I definitely went to one of these places when I was a rebellious teenager, but I was fortunate in only having to go on the weekends during the day. I was also fortunate that the place had some oversight by my state, as I quickly learned that all their "punishments" could easily be defeated by simply refusing to participate (e.g. refusing to run laps, clean the gym floor with a toothbrush, etc). I lasted maybe 3 weekends there before they kicked me out of their "program."

That was 20+ years ago, and it still kind of blows my mind that those places exist. Therapy and supportive parents will "correct" rebellious behaviors 90+% of the time.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The funniest thing about my story is that it was kind of the reverse of the regular one. My mom was the wild one who did drugs, and was trying to keep me from noticing.

I wasn’t really “troubled.” I didn’t do drugs, I was a shy weird kid with good grades, never acted up in school - I didn’t learn the word “blowjob” until we watched Why Did I Get Married as part of “group therapy.” My mom just was a munchausen psycho. The actual psychiatric hospitals she sent me to would pick up on that quickly, but these fucking places don’t care, they just want the cash.

[-] bassomitron@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Munchausen, oof... brutal, sorry you had to endure that as a kid. My wife is a children's therapist, specializing in play therapy for traumatized kids. It's definitely opened my eyes to how much misery in society could be dramatically reduced by simple early intervention in young children. So many problems in adulthood are rooted in untreated trauma. Anyway, I hope you're doing well now, despite having to go through that gauntlet of a mentally unwell parent as a kid.

Also, very much agree that these places should absolutely be nationally outlawed.

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[-] Etterra@discuss.online 10 points 6 months ago

Sounds like you need to report Facebook to the FBI. Oh wait, Zuckerberg paid them off. We'll I guess we're fucked. Still.

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[-] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 8 points 6 months ago

Facilities like this need to be burned down and the staff put to the headsmans axe, in fact did you know a shit tonne of them exist in Utah because of course they do.

Fun fact CPS wanted to send me to one as a child, luckily I was both a stubborn and clever little shit and my threat to burn things was taken seriously. My only condition to not burn things was to not go to it.

[-] shaquilleoatmeal@lemm.ee 7 points 6 months ago

I don’t understand why these weren’t outright banned after the first time a kid got murdered at one, let alone the umpteenth time.

[-] Aeri@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago

I'm just going to leave this here: https://elan.school/ That's how I learned about this.

I read the whole thing, and it's haunting, there's no way this shit could be made up, the gravity is too insane, and there's also you know, evidence.

[-] chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 4 points 6 months ago

https://youtu.be/OwYNZQNQOQY

Behind the Bastards has a series on this featuring Mara Wilson.

[-] ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

The problem with these services is they get you in the door with these too-good-to-be-true deals, but then you're locked into a bullshit subscription service every month. So you think you're saving a bundle on the kidnapping, but you end up paying out the ass every month for them to KEEP the kid. Enshittification at work once again.

[-] dbtng@eviltoast.org 1 points 6 months ago

Beautiful justice.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Zero surprise. IG regularly recommends/sponsors content that genocidal, pseudo-scientific, grifting, fascist, etc. I switched to Pixelfed for regular use.

[-] BakerBagel@midwest.social 2 points 6 months ago

I had IG ahowing me ads for Arab "housekeeping" services where you could pick your "housekeeper". Just straight human trafficking and sex slavery brought to you by the fine folks out in Silicon Valley

[-] Liljekonvalj@feddit.org 2 points 6 months ago

Get of facebook, instagram, TikTok. All of that. Want to stay in touch with your friends? Call them, text them.

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

I don’t use it so much to stay in touch with my friends as a platform to argue with fascists, Nazis, and child abusers.

The kinds of parents who are going to be looking at these programs are probably on Facebook, and that’s the best place to reach them.

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[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Wtf is Elan and why am I only hearing about this now?

Where's the Johbn Oliver episode about this? Still in production?

[-] andros_rex@lemmy.world 4 points 6 months ago

Elan was thankfully finally shut down in 2011, so it’s no longer destroying children. Just took four decades!

The big issue, as I campaign to get my own torturers facility closed down, is that they weaponize privacy laws. Both the facilities and the state. They pretend they are protecting children by refusing to investigate. The double speak is fucking insane.

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[-] JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Well, if you are a minority no country is much better.

[-] Ledericas@lemm.ee 2 points 6 months ago

zuckerborg does need access to young minds.

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