https://twipped.social/@twipped/114662771295312758
article they are referencing: https://futurism.com/atari-beats-chatgpt-chess
It also demonstrates how much AI companies mislead the public on what their products can do. If a guy is selling lawnmowers that actually just generate grass clippings without mowing the lawn, you’re not an idiot for thinking it was going to mow grass.
furthermore. companies mislead journalists, investors, philosphers, influencers etc. most of which dont have a technical background but a lot of reach. They then carry their misunderstanding into the general public.
All these public "academic" panel debates on conferences about AGI being the next nuclear weapon and singularity. They lead to Highbrow publications, opinion peaces, books and blog articles, which then lead to tweets, memes and pop cultural references
Huh.... wait... what if we make a box... generate electricity bills... Call it a crypto miner?
Cram a bunch of space heaters into a box. Convince investors that all the electricity it burns up means it's basically printing money. The building will inevitably burn down before anyone can investigate our claims.
But once someone explains it to you and you insist the grass was mowed, they show you the unmowed grass, and you still insist it's great for mowing lawns.
And also you're in the desert where you shouldn't even have a fucking lawn, and you plant more lawns because they're so easy to mow now
What do you call that? Because it's a bit past 'idiot'.
I mean, you literally have whole videos on YouTube made by GothamChess who shows how LLMs play chess. They literally spawn pieces from air, play moves that are illegal etc.
Holy hell
New response just dropped
I'm quite sure that the guy understood pretty well what LLMs can do. He just wanted to deinflate all the bullshit promises by Techbros
Deinflate? Is that like uninflating? Or more like making something inflateless?
"Deinflate" feels like actively sucking all the air out instead of letting it out passively. Unrelated, I know, but I think words are so neat
LLMs can't beat anyone or anything at chess because they can't play chess at all. Try it. They don't get more than a few moves in without degrading into total nonsense.
I don't know if this is real, but AI for chess kinda has to be tailor made for chess, right?
Yes the point is that LLMs don't reason.
These articles aren’t written for people who know how LLMs work or what they do, anyway.
It’s to prove to everyday people that the techbro marketing is bullshit and these are limited tools, not conscious beings. The populace is being sold a hammer that hallucinates and told everything is a nail.
I fuck around with AI chatbots every now and then. Sometimes I'll type in one thing to it and it will spit out a respone that doesn't have anything to do with what I said to it
maybe it's the way I type and form sentences, but yeah, a lot of ai "generated" stuff won't be what you typed in
Using an LLM to play chess is like using autocorrect to write a novel.
And that's the big problem with AI right now. People don't understand what it is, they just want the label slapped on to as many things as possible.
AI is the new IoT, it will be integrated into everything, less than useless for 99.9% of consumers, and yet, still wildly successful.
It's because the venture capitalists who are sinking BILLION$ into these things are calling it AI even though it's not and literally never will be. And unfortunately, too many people are too stupid to understand that these aren't AI but Generative Adversarial Networks or GAN's for short. Which doesn't sound as sexy and "take my money please"-ish as Artificial Intelligence or ✨AI✨ does.
These will never be HAL9000 or Jarvis or even Roku's Basilisk. The stuff needed for that kind of "intelligence" doesn't exist in these things. And the sooner people come to realize that this is all just digital snake oil the sooner we can collectively get on with our lives.
Using an LLM to play chess is like using autocorrect to write a novel.
...What did I just read?
It's AI generated and absolutely hilarious.
That is glorious. I've never wanted to read an entire book more.
The brain dead morons who defend it and accuse me of just being a hater for understanding any part of it are the worst.
'they' referring to people? Hell no. It's just hyped onto them whether they like it or not.
Yet another corporate hype wasting massive resources.
By my best feelings, this shit is a bigger bust than the .com bubble, and I predate that latter shit by roughly twenty years.
I bet the llm doesn’t even know what en passant is
Holy hell
It knows the definition though!
It literally doesn't. It has a pointer to other pointers that often times are marked as correct.
"Knows"
I'm quite sure that you could use a LLM to play chess and probably even successful, but you need to train it on chess notation of games instead of a pile of fanfiction and other copyright infringements. I have considered trying that but was turned off by how inaccessible LLM training is and how difficult it would be to get a sufficient amount of games written in proper chess notation. Obviously this would not be a real LLM, as it does not "speak", but I was curious how well this would work utilizing the same technique.
You shouldn't train an LLM for that, just any other type of machine learning.
You don't need text to play chess.
Hundreds of billions of dollars spent
No profitable product
No consistently usable product other than beginner code tasks
Massive environmental harms
Tens of thousands of (useful!) careers terminated
Destroyed Internet search, arguably the one necessary service on the Internet
No chance it's going to get better
Atari 2600 beating it at chess is a perfect metaphor. People who want to complain about it can bite its plastic woodgrain printed ass.
They could probably have done better by training a crow to play chess.
Nobody thought it would do very well. This was a software dev's little diversion.
We should praise attempts to make the public aware of the limitations of LLMs, not laugh at the guy who did this.
LLM sucks at maths, sucks at chess, sucks at remembering stuff and being consistent ... They suck at everything a computer is usually good at.
Yes, LLMs are designed to emulate how a human would respond to a prompt by digesting a huge amount of human-generated content. They can do that fairly well except when they can't.
Asking ChatGPT to play chess is like asking someone who's not played Chess to play well, and then documenting how poorly it played. Like no shit the hammer did a bad job as a saw. You wanted it cut, you should have used the tool for the job.
ChatGPT isn't Deep Blue. It's not made for that. You're asking a word processor to calculate pi.
Okay, i think there is quite a misunderstanding here.
Some older versions of LLMs (chatgpt3.5-turbo-instruct) can play chess relatively well (around 1750 Elo) : here is a link to an article studying that.
Some points :
ChatGPT hallucinates moves so it'll almost always lose by the arbiter coming second time because of illegal move.
"Oh, you're right. Pawns can only move forward to open spaces or capture diagonally."
Proceeds to move pawn backwards AGAIN.
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