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Mike German, an ex-FBI agent, said immigration agents hiding their identities ‘highlights the illegitimacy of actions’

Some wear balaclavas. Some wear neck gators, sunglasses and hats. Some wear masks and casual clothes.

Across the country, armed federal immigration officers have increasingly hidden their identities while carrying out immigration raids, arresting protesters and roughing up prominent Democratic critics.

It’s a trend that has sparked alarm among civil rights and law enforcement experts alike.

Mike German, a former FBI agent, said officers’ widespread use of masks was unprecedented in US law enforcement and a sign of a rapidly eroding democracy. “Masking symbolizes the drift of law enforcement away from democratic controls,” he said.

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[-] Gowron_Howard@lemmy.world 96 points 2 weeks ago

These are the same people who whined about having to wear a mask during Covid.

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 39 points 2 weeks ago

I work in 911 dispatch

During COVID we had to ask all of our callers some extra questions if they were going to be in contact with any of our units

Something along the lines of "has anyone there had or been in contact with anyone who has had flu-like symptoms recently?"

And if they did we added a note to the call indicating that.

One night I got a call from one of our off-duty officers calling in an accident he witnessed.

I get all the usual information and start asking our COVID questions

And he gets really indignant about it "why are you asking me this?" "This is stupid." Etc.

Like dude, you're one of our officers. We've been advising you about potential COVID exposures on your own calls, where do you think we were getting that information? This shit is for your benefit, not ours, I can't catch COVID from someone over the phone (the disease vectors sitting the consoles adjacent to me could be another story)

And that's pretty typical of how cops act towards us, the people they rely on to give them information they need to do their jobs, send them backup when needed, etc. blows my mind that so many of my co-workers are absolute bootlickers.

[-] redsand@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 weeks ago

This describes half of most departments. The good cops burn out from the idiocy from all sides and end up fire fighters, EMTs, bartenders and roofers. The dumb ones stay and try not to get fired until they can get that penchant.

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[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

"I cAnT bReAtHe!!!"

Yes you can, asshole. It's a slight inconvience, but it's a far cry from not getting oxygen.

But oh, now that it's being used to conceil your identity, you're all fine???

[-] Fondots@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

I'm a fat, on-and-off smoker. Once in a while I get it in my head I'm gonna exercise and I start running or something. It usually doesn't last very long, running sucks.

But the one time it almost stuck was when I decided to do it as sort of a new years resolution when we were getting hit by some crazy polar vortex weather with temperatures hovering just barely above 0°F (about -17°C)

It was great, no matter how hard I tried to run I couldn't work up a sweat.

That cold, dry air is kind of rough on your lungs though, so I tied a bandana around my face so I could breathe some warmer, moister air.

The bandana got soaked with condensation from my breath, and since it was so cold it pretty much froze solid the second I took it off at the end of my run. Then the condensation in my beard and mustache froze into icicles.

So the best runs of my life were done breathing through 2 layers of wet fabric. Anyone who claims that they can't breathe through a mask is either full of shit or probably needs to be on a ventilator.

[-] MuskyMelon@lemmy.world 74 points 2 weeks ago

Now serial killers and pedophiles can larp and kidnap children and adults too.

All Thanks to ICE!

DONAKD J TRUMP

[-] ijedi1234@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago

"Okay, girlie. No sudden moves or I'm putting one in your gut. If you scream, my cop buddies around the corner will be all over you."

"But I'm being nice. If you stay quiet and come with me, I'll smooth things over with the force. We won't have to break all of your bones before letting you go."

"Now get over here. I'm going to take you somewhere special. You'll love it."

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Awwww.....nobody ever loves ME enough to want to kidnap....

[-] msprout@lemmy.world 31 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What fucking sucks is that they are criminalizing wearing KN-95s to protests in state laws because apparently they're so dangerous while simultaneously saying that these guys need masks to protect themselves.

Why the fuck do the cromagnons in office think I'm still wearing a KN-95? So I can cosplay Blade Runner at work? Because I am a duck furry and this is a subtle way of fursuiting? For the high fashion? Because I am taunting non-mask-wearers? NO, IT IS TO PROTECT MYSELF.

aaaaaaAAAAAAA

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[-] TuffNutzes@lemmy.world 19 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I always wondered if there were people that watched the history of Nazi Germany and didn't feel immediate revulsion from it.

I mean I just grew up thinking that it was universally true that people thought that fascism and authoritarianism is bad in the US. Like Nazis are bad guys and SS guards were cruel and inhuman. All the usual things.

But there are actually people in the US that would have gleefully cheered on the rise of fascism in Germany and would have been right there to sign up to be SS guards and brown shirts, beating up Jews and gays and socialists and executing them in the streets.

Like, monsters really do live among us. I really didn't think that that kind of detestable subhumans existed in modern America.

The American Gestapo AKA ICE are objectively bad people. There's no other way to frame it. They are just bad people, evil, violent monsters who should be purged (jailed) from society.

I can't imagine growing up thinking "I want to be just like those and SS animals". Like where did their mothers and fathers go wrong? Total sociopaths.

[-] Psythik@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

Oh my sweet summer child. If you really believe this, then you haven't spent much time around conservatives. I was raised by them. Nazism was/is taken lightly, like a silly joke (that's why you saw so many people smiling and laughing at Elon's Nazi salute at the inauguration). Never seen as a serious threat—even today—as it starts to actually become one. The vast majority of conservatives are either in denial over the rise of Neo-Nazism, or are just straight-up Nazis themselves.

[-] NotJohnSmith@feddit.uk 3 points 2 weeks ago

I'm not in the US but that's truly chilling to hear. When you're not surrounded by it, you don't realise how normalised something becomes in a different part of society.

[-] xenomor@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago

At this point, my first reaction to seeing anyone in law enforcement at any level is they are a criminal thugs that cannot be trusted, should be undermined at every opportunity, insulted relentlessly, and if necessary, worse. I know there are some good cops, and not everything they do is bad, but goddamn they do they suck in general.

[-] Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I heard this one recently: Take 100 gallons of dirty sewage water and add 1 gallon of clean water. What do you have? It's not 101 clean gallons of water or even 100 gallons dirty and 1 clean anymore..

You now have 101 gallons of dirty fucking sewage water.

ACAB (and soon to be ACAN ~ All Cops Are Nazis)

[-] cubism_pitta@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Works the other way too.

If I take 100 Gallons of clean water and dump a gallon of sewage into it, would you pour yourself a glass?

[-] Onyxonblack@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago

One bad apple spoils the bunch. Good point!

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[-] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago

Alarming Number = 1 unless it is very cold or covid is hitting hard

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 9 points 2 weeks ago

I'd bet theres at least 80% overlap with people that somehow couldn't breathe in a disposable medical mask during covid

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[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

US law says if you see someone being assaulted, and the perp is not identified as law enforcement, you can kill the attacker in defense of the person being assaulted.

Of course the same goes for self defense.

If someone is assaulting you and not identifing as law enforcement you can kill them in self defense.

[-] Taldan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

What is the legal qualification for "identifying as law enforcement"? Can I don a mask and tacti-cool gear and shout "ICE federal agent" as I attack someone?

Genuine question, because that's what's happening

[-] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I would say showing a badge, and them waiting patiently while you can call in to confirm their legitimacy with their org.

The precedent tho is that anyone who identifies as law enforcement is supposed to be believed.

People are impersonating ICE all the time these days, its reasonable to not believe someone is an ICE agent based on word alone. If a person killed an ICE agent assuming he was an imposter then a judge might not throw the book at them, considering our current climate.

[-] Taldan@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

You can but ICE "plaques" of 5", approximately the right size, here: https://americanplaquecompany.com/product/dhs-ice-badge-plaque/

I wouldn't be able to tell that from a legitimate badge

So many of the videos I've seen are of supposed officers forcibly kidnapping people without giving a badge number or warrant (some claim there are no badge numbers for ICE, but likely that was a fake officer. They certainly aren't letting people look up a contact number for DHS

Also feels like the administration is waiting for someone to resost so Trump can label them a terrorist and make an example out of them, despite it being perfectly legal self-defense

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[-] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 weeks ago

Y'know, funny thing about masks like that, they're real absorbent and don't block much other than visibility and direct skin contact. Bet they'd be ripping then off real fast if they smelled something bad enough to puke.

[-] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Fascism isn't some nebulous concept on the horizon. Or maybe hiding around the next blind corner.

It is literally here. Now. Right now.

Wake up call. America has secret police (gestapo) now.

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[-] OutlierBlue@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 weeks ago

Land of the Brave

Puts on mask to hide identity

[-] mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

bunch of pussy. Too afraid to show their faces.

In fact, if I ask for identification and they dont provide, I'll call them: Mr. Pussy #1, Mr. Pussy #2.....etc.

[-] fedupwithbureaucracy@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Rip off their fucking masks

[-] Captainautism@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 weeks ago

It’d be ashamed if they were to get bear sprayed on their masks and had to remove them.

[-] HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 weeks ago

Nah bro, aerosolized coyote piss. Get that up in their mask. Or just a super soaker full of it.

Don't ask me how you get the piss, just know it works.

[-] FreakinSteve@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

Any person hiding their identity while carrying a weapon should be shot and killed on sight. I am with the GOP on this point.

[-] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

But we're FREE from the tyranny of forced education and health care, puh-raise JEE-zuz-ah!

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