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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago

I've been saying since 2016 that Sanders' executive orders alone would have moved the US further in the right direction than any president since LBJ.

The last six months of Donald Trump have proven that. The presidency has all the power any party needs if they actually want to do real good.

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 35 points 3 months ago

I think its hilarious how before Trumps 2nd term, the libshits would argue "but if they use executive orders to push through {legalization of abortion, marijuana, socialized healthcare, public transit, any number of good left leaning policies} the R's will do it back when theyre back in office!!

Now look where we are.

fucking libshits and MAGAts.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 36 points 2 months ago

Yeah so Biden did an executive order to forgive student debt, it got challenged in the courts and so it didn't happen.

People saying "Democrats should just do executive orders like Trump does" need to look into who's on the Supreme Court.

The "do everything by EO" strat only works for a party that has had a loyal voting base for decades so they have control of the courts.

Sorry to interrupt the "both sides" narrative leftists/MAGAs love so much.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 28 points 2 months ago

No, the real strat is to ram hundreds of EOs through so fast the courts don't have time to shoot them all down. And then, I dunno, drone strike the opposition and call it an official presidential act cause evidently that's cool now.

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

Exactly, it was all set up in the first term. They not only got the Supreme Court but also put in place a record number of judges across the country as well. They went for the throat, and everyone let them. Now you have corrupt people everywhere they need to do whatever they want, and also showed that even if they do get shot down, they still don't listen, and nothing happens, so whats the actual point?

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

It doesn't hurt to try though. Make them actually shoot the EOs down. Don't just assume they will so you do nothing. Force their hand.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

^ This. If we're lucky enough to get a Democratic president willing to abuse the executive order system the way Trump is, and make no mistake, it IS abuse... the same Supreme Court that ruled "Well, the President can do it" would look at a Democratic President and go "Whoah, woah, whoah, we didn't mean YOU could do it."

[-] match@pawb.social 8 points 3 months ago

we had better damn well put in a president who's gonna EO everything to the far left

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, elder statesmen like Biden still believed in things like exercising power responsibly within the balance of power like many presidents before them.

That wasn't good enough, too many people took the "lesser evil" quote to heart. So now we have a dipshit writing EOs faster than the court system moves, and I hope there's a god to help the country get out of this.

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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

That’s still completely true. Not only that, Congress and SCOTUS can nullify any executive order.

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 4 points 3 months ago

haha, yes they sure can. And they have! Look at how well its going!

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

There are only "checks and balances" when all 3 branches of government are not fascist/corrupt.

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[-] cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago

Sanders’ EOs with a conservative Supreme Court would have been unilaterally nullified. The conservative supermajority is what has allowed Trump to get away with the vast majority of this.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sanders’ EOs with a conservative Supreme Court would have been unilaterally nullified.

If they'd run Sanders, they've had ended up with a Democratic supermajority. SCOTUS would have been largely irrelevant.

But it doesn't change facts. The powers of the presidency in the hands of an actual reformer, not a performative one like Biden or Obama, would have entailed true, fundamental change.

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[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

That’s wholly incorrect. The only reason Trump’s executive orders have any power is due to the full majority support of the Republican-controlled Congress and the conservative SCOTUS.

Democrats forced a 15-day vote on the constitutionality of Trump’s initial purse-control power grab. The Republican majority redefined the entire congressional calendar as a single day, just to a valid holding the vote.

This amount of control comes from the abject loyalty of all three branches.

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[-] CorruptCheesecake@lemmy.world 27 points 2 months ago

Jeb! is willing to overlook this transgression

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Sorry, it's spelled JEB!

Your lack of enthusiasm has been logged. Please clap.

[-] ignotum@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

1! = 1
2! = 2
3! = 6
4! = 24
...
JEB! = +∞

[-] 13igTyme@lemmy.world 16 points 2 months ago

People should have voted in primaries, then. I did. Both times. Clearly not enough did.

[-] sad_detective_man@leminal.space 14 points 3 months ago

sorry LEFTISTS, I will let fascists fuck us all dead before I steer progress away from anything that isn't Obama-nostalgic capitalism. oh and I'm pretty sure I heard that commie say something about term limits so I'm going to make that all of yous' problem just for even considering it.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 8 points 3 months ago

The maps says 2019.

Biden won the primary in 2020 and proceeded to win the presidency.

You should know because you’re been posting anti-Biden content since then.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

Plus I think you’re referring to this poll

A Monmouth University poll released Monday showed Sanders and Warren effectively tied with Biden, but the survey has a large margin of error and is an outlier compared with other recent national polls, which have usually shown Biden with a lead of at least several points.

Biden, Sanders and Warren are tied for the lead in one poll. Biden’s on top in another - Aug. 27, 2019

[-] conicalscientist@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

The berniebro troll has gotten so much mileage.

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[-] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

why wouldn't they? Bernie's interests are aligned completely opposite to the interests of whatever groups that keep at least half of those democrats in their seats. That became much more clear when they happily voted no to Bernie's "ban weapon sale to Israel" motions.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

Good question.

If Democrats were reasonable, objective people (which they are not), they'd probably look at the fact that the state of Missouri passed a $15 minimum wage, required paid sick leave, AND legalized abortion in the same election where they elected Republicans.

And then take that as a lesson of maybe what they should be doing in order to win back red states.

But they won't.

They're in the pocket of the rich and couldn't care less about people who work for a living.

[-] Dogyote@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 months ago

This is so confusing. Which party, if any, was supporting those measures? How'd they get on the ballot?

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[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 6 points 2 months ago

Imagine relentlessly defending attempts to appeal to red states and conservatives as a viable electoral strategy, and then refer to Sanders support on this map as 'empty land'.

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[-] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 months ago

Death to the DNC never forget

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago
[-] macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago
[-] RazgrizOne@piefed.zip 2 points 2 months ago

But Biden won lol the 2016 election is a way better example. Sanders did worse in 2019

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

YES! The 2016 election had like a 3 Million vote difference, Bernie 13M to Hillary 16M.

2020 was 9 to 19, what an absurd hill to die on.

[-] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

People vote, not land.

Biden doubled Bernie's votes in the 2020 primaries. Which Bernie was a part of because the DNC chose him to participate in.

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