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[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 59 points 3 months ago

I've been saying since 2016 that Sanders' executive orders alone would have moved the US further in the right direction than any president since LBJ.

The last six months of Donald Trump have proven that. The presidency has all the power any party needs if they actually want to do real good.

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 35 points 3 months ago

I think its hilarious how before Trumps 2nd term, the libshits would argue "but if they use executive orders to push through {legalization of abortion, marijuana, socialized healthcare, public transit, any number of good left leaning policies} the R's will do it back when theyre back in office!!

Now look where we are.

fucking libshits and MAGAts.

[-] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 36 points 3 months ago

Yeah so Biden did an executive order to forgive student debt, it got challenged in the courts and so it didn't happen.

People saying "Democrats should just do executive orders like Trump does" need to look into who's on the Supreme Court.

The "do everything by EO" strat only works for a party that has had a loyal voting base for decades so they have control of the courts.

Sorry to interrupt the "both sides" narrative leftists/MAGAs love so much.

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 28 points 3 months ago

No, the real strat is to ram hundreds of EOs through so fast the courts don't have time to shoot them all down. And then, I dunno, drone strike the opposition and call it an official presidential act cause evidently that's cool now.

[-] HeyJoe@lemmy.world 9 points 3 months ago

Exactly, it was all set up in the first term. They not only got the Supreme Court but also put in place a record number of judges across the country as well. They went for the throat, and everyone let them. Now you have corrupt people everywhere they need to do whatever they want, and also showed that even if they do get shot down, they still don't listen, and nothing happens, so whats the actual point?

[-] Cethin@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 months ago

It doesn't hurt to try though. Make them actually shoot the EOs down. Don't just assume they will so you do nothing. Force their hand.

[-] jordanlund@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

^ This. If we're lucky enough to get a Democratic president willing to abuse the executive order system the way Trump is, and make no mistake, it IS abuse... the same Supreme Court that ruled "Well, the President can do it" would look at a Democratic President and go "Whoah, woah, whoah, we didn't mean YOU could do it."

[-] match@pawb.social 8 points 3 months ago

we had better damn well put in a president who's gonna EO everything to the far left

[-] Godric@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah, elder statesmen like Biden still believed in things like exercising power responsibly within the balance of power like many presidents before them.

That wasn't good enough, too many people took the "lesser evil" quote to heart. So now we have a dipshit writing EOs faster than the court system moves, and I hope there's a god to help the country get out of this.

[-] dickalan@lemmy.world -4 points 2 months ago

Stop huffing your own farts

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 2 points 3 months ago

That’s still completely true. Not only that, Congress and SCOTUS can nullify any executive order.

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 4 points 3 months ago

haha, yes they sure can. And they have! Look at how well its going!

[-] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

There are only "checks and balances" when all 3 branches of government are not fascist/corrupt.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

None of these things can be performed by executive order. A big reason that bill just had to be passed was his deportations and detainings couldn't be performed without money from Congress

[-] IsThisAnAI@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

God forbid someone want to keep some semblance of democracy without completely giving up hope in a race to the bottom.

[-] fox2263@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Let’s not forget they’ve spent the past 4-8 years putting their people into the right places to allow them to start doing whatever they want.

[-] Turret3857@infosec.pub 2 points 2 months ago

You say this as if the dems could have never done what they did.

[-] cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 3 months ago

Sanders’ EOs with a conservative Supreme Court would have been unilaterally nullified. The conservative supermajority is what has allowed Trump to get away with the vast majority of this.

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Sanders’ EOs with a conservative Supreme Court would have been unilaterally nullified.

If they'd run Sanders, they've had ended up with a Democratic supermajority. SCOTUS would have been largely irrelevant.

But it doesn't change facts. The powers of the presidency in the hands of an actual reformer, not a performative one like Biden or Obama, would have entailed true, fundamental change.

[-] RedFrank24@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Sanders couldn't even win the Democratic primary. What makes you think he stood a chance at winning the election?

[-] FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

Good morning.

Respectfully, what you're repeating here is a lie. The primaries were rigged against Bernard Sanders, and when the Democratic Party was later sued for it, they admitted it. The bummer here is that in rigging primaries for Clinton, Democrats not only gave us Donald Trump, but also gave Trump control of Congress at the same time.

[-] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 0 points 2 months ago

Rigged how, exactly? Were all the voters that didn't vote for Bernie in on the conspiracy?

Bernie lost, he wasn't popular enough. Get over it.

[-] BrinkBreaker@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The DNC didn’t 'rig' the primary in the sense of changing vote totals, but they did actively tilt the scales through media collusion (leaked emails showed DNC officials mocking Sanders and strategizing against him), debate scheduling (minimizing exposure), and voter suppression tactics (e.g., purging independents in closed primaries). The lawsuit revealed the DNC’s lawyers openly argued in court that they had no obligation to run a fair process.

That said, yes, Clinton won more votes, but the system was structurally biased from the start. The real question is whether a truly neutral primary would have had a different outcome, given Sanders’ momentum and Clinton’s weaknesses (which absolutely contributed to Trump’s win).

Bernie lost, he wasn’t popular enough. Get over it.

Telling people to 'get over it' ignores why this still matters. The DNC’s actions in 2016 (and again in 2020, with the sudden coalescence around Biden after South Carolina) reinforced the perception that the party prioritizes control over democracy. That disillusionment cost them key voters in swing states. Which is how we got Trump.

[-] RedFrank24@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Did Bernie get more or fewer votes than Clinton?

[-] EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 months ago

Bernie polled better during the primaries than both Clinton AND Trump. In fact, there were polls showing that he polled better than Trump among Republicans (so long as you only talked about his policies without mentioning his name. As soon as you said his name they'd call him a dirty communist and 180 their opinion - quite literally going from saying they'd vote for somebody with those positions to vowing to never vote for him). Clinton polled worse than Trump, and Bernie had a decent lead over Trump - enough that he was considered the better candidate to run against Trump right up until he dropped out of the race.

So, what happened? Well, major news networks airing 30 minutes of Trump's empty podium instead of Bernie's speech happened. He was the target of a major campaign by the leaders of the party who poured tons of money into making sure Hillary's face was everywhere and his voice was snuffed out. They quite literally said that they were under no obligation to run a fair primary.

[-] RedFrank24@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

So if he was already so popular he was outshining Clinton and Trump, why didn't people vote for him? Could it maybe be because he's only popular in highly populous cities that have relatively few electoral votes when compared to the rural areas where he's not as popular, and so nationwide polling isn't indicative of actual electoral success?

Also, as we all know now, presence on major TV news networks doesn't align with electoral success either. Trump basically cornered the podcast market and he won the election. People don't watch TV news anymore.

[-] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 5 points 3 months ago

That’s wholly incorrect. The only reason Trump’s executive orders have any power is due to the full majority support of the Republican-controlled Congress and the conservative SCOTUS.

Democrats forced a 15-day vote on the constitutionality of Trump’s initial purse-control power grab. The Republican majority redefined the entire congressional calendar as a single day, just to a valid holding the vote.

This amount of control comes from the abject loyalty of all three branches.

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