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[-] bytesonbike@discuss.online 22 points 2 weeks ago

I think it's really weird that inclusion is political.

[-] dhork@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Well, duh. By saying "All are Welcome Here", we are excluding people who want to exclude people. And they are the ones in charge right now. So simply saying "everyone is welcome" is now subversive, against Presidential policy, and anti-American.

Your citizenship is hereby revoked, ICE will be here soon to ship you to ~~Gitmo~~ ~~CECOT~~ ~~South Sudan~~ Alligator Auschwitz

[-] TheTechnician27@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

That actually isn't weird at all. People treat "politics" as an epithet for "controversial politics", but in reality, almost everything in society is political – relating to power structures, the distribution of status and resources, and how those factors are determined. What you're getting at, of course, is that Republicans have shifted the Overton window so disgustingly far to the right that "everyone is welcome" in a classroom is treated as a controversial ideology.

We're constantly conditioned to think of the status quo as apolitical in nature (it's just "normal" and the people who want to change it for better or worse are "the politicals"), but it is and always has been, and it's why we've needed so desperately these past several decades to remain politically engaged to protect what we want and to change what we don't. Now? Who knows, but we still need to try.

[-] theluddite@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 weeks ago

Great comment. Taking it further, making "politics" inherently negative has a lot of propaganda value to power. The people in charge generally want to defend the status quo, so they'd rather depoliticize the populace. This is why you get such strange contradictions as the people in charge constantly attacking "political elites" or "the swamp" or whatever. They're trying to discredit politics itself to consolidate their power. Similarly, when they do want to change something, they say "it's not politics; it's common sense." They want a population that feels like politics is something inherently dubious, or at least just not worth their time and effort.

Inclusion has always been and will always be a political project, because there are people who want power and who will use it to exclude people for whatever reason.

[-] lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think you mean that it is weird that inclusion is controversial.

To me, inclusion is the foundation of politics. It is the uniting idea that people with no blood relation - strangers - can come together to build something that benefits all.

Trump and his gang want to move on from politics. They despise democracy and disdain a system that benefits anyone who isn't part of their exclusive circle. And for the record, their circle does not include Trump supporters - the maga-hat wearing rubes are just the tools that Trump is using to monopolize wealth and power for his immediate friends and family.

When Trump has achieved what he wants, there will be no more politics in the USA. There will only be the Great Leader and those who exist to serve him.

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[-] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

WTF is the pledge of allegiance supposed to be when it says "under god" in it? How come we can't ban bibles and qurans from school? What are they?

[-] LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Never understood how so many people just blindly stood and recited and the pledge in school. I stopped after 5th grade when I started to realize how fucked the system is

[-] boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Conservatives hate anything that reminds them to be better humans, because they aren't.

[-] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 5 points 2 weeks ago

I hate the whole conservative Christian doctrine. Saying you NEED religion or else you'll be a terrible person and do terrible things. It's like, goddamn I dont need religion to have morality and know what's right and wrong. And then these fuckers have the gall to say godless heathens are the evil ones while doing the exact things Jesus told them NOT to do!

[-] Dead_or_Alive@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

You’re looking at it completely wrong.

Fundamentally it doesn’t matter if you are a good person. Even the nicest most moral of us are sinners in the eyes of Christians.

What matters is that you are forgiven by god for your sins. Even if you lie, cheat, steal, murder, commit adultery etc. Going to church and being absolved of your sins makes you a good person and welcome by god.

The worst people I have met are Christians for this very reason. They believe they have been absolved of their wrongs in the eyes of god and you have not.

[-] razzazzika@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah.. that's even more fucked.

[-] rumba@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Lutheran private school: You will always be absolved of your sins when you ask forgiveness!

3rd grade me: What if I wait until I'm on my deathbed?

Lutheran private school: even then.

3rd grade me: What if I do horrible things my whole life and just repent at the end?

Lutheran private school: teacher shifts uncomfortably you'd really have to mean it and then what happens if you're in an accident and don't have time?

3rd grade me: quick math meme running through my head

[-] jwt@programming.dev 11 points 2 weeks ago

Once upon a time, Stephen Colbert ('s character) uttering "It's a well known fact that reality has a liberal bias" was regarded as satire. Now, I wouldn't be so sure.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 weeks ago

The party told you to reject your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.

I think the core problem is politics. I've met left leaning people who are just as brainwashed as some conservatives.

[-] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

I've met uninformed and opinionated without a basis people who were left leaning, but I've never met anyone as cult-y as the MAGA. There is no way to get through to them--none. Their faces could be on fire, and they wouldn't put out the fire with water if water was proposed by the main-stream media to put out fires.

[-] skisnow@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 weeks ago

Maybe, but I’d rather be brainwashed and wrong in trying to treat others with empathy and decency, than be brainwashed and wrong and driven by hate for marginalised groups.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think that is a perfectly fair take. My point is that that world tends to be way more nuanced than the media and politicians want to admit.

[-] Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 weeks ago

must consider whether the displayed flag or banner illustrates or shows someone’s opinion, emotions, beliefs, or thoughts regarding politics, economics, society, faith, or religion.”

So that means nothing about Christianity then, right?

[-] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 4 points 2 weeks ago

I'm pretty sure Jesus would be on board with the "everyone is welcome" message.

[-] cybervseas@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Actual Jesus would be in CECOT by now.

[-] onslaught545@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

I think they would have just murdered him again, tbh.

Although when Jesus comes back he's supposed to be wrathful, so he'd probably kill all the Christians who use his name for hate as his first act.

[-] Curiousfur@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

He needs to hurry the fuck up and stop taking the scenic route back.

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[-] jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 3 points 2 weeks ago

Time for the sartre quote again.

“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7870768-never-believe-that-anti-semites-are-completely-unaware-of-the-absurdity

The assholes know what they are doing. They know they are hypocritical. They don't care. You cannot engage in conservatives/anti-semites/fascists/et al with reason because they will not argue in good faith. They are bad people. Selfish, fearful, people.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 2 weeks ago

This is the tshirt I’m wearing today. Fuck Idaho.

[-] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

They'll probably try to claim that blood comes from the heart, and so those hands represent jesus hznds with stakes through them, and everyone loves jesus.

You know. Mental gymnastics. Just anything to reaffirm their own world view since you are challenging it.

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[-] samus12345@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

Whether you're black, white, or...an android?

[-] projectsquared@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Measure of a Man.

[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 weeks ago

when I was in early years of school there were twins with no pigment that were pale as chalk and had hair like fiber optic strands. sunscreen needed indoors to not turn red. never seen either since but I found out its possible to be literally white.

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 2 weeks ago

Well, the signs are ideological, in that they conflict with the state-enforced ideology. Curiously, churches are getting in trouble discussing the beatitudes, since they (yes, Jesus' own words) are in conflict with the state-enforced ideology.

What is scary is when there's insufficient resistance to the state-enforced ideology that runs contrary to classic virtues / traditions of compassion, hospitality, mercy, etc. This is the banal evil that lets abductions, renderings, concentration camps and eventually genocide happen.

If you don't fight with banners today, you'll have to fight with guns tomorrow.

[-] fodor@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 weeks ago

I wouldn't say it's banal, though. It's pretty aggressively evil. And you write about "eventually genocide", when ethnic cleansing efforts are well underway already.

[-] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

God Republican Christians are such cunts.

[-] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 weeks ago

Devil Republican Christians are even worse, trust me.

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

Next up: Changing that pesky "E Pluribus Unum."

[-] Shanedino@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago

So it's the next sign to hang up going to read "not everyone is welcome here? ".

[-] FanciestPants@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Sorta reminds me of the "No Lives Matter" posters featuring Cthullu. What used to seem comically bad and absurd is now being passed into law.

[-] yarr@feddit.nl 2 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, it is ideological, like saying "All men are equals" or "Eating healthy leads to a longer life". I wish people would just come out and say what they really mean. Are the same teachers striving for a classroom where not everyone is equal?

[-] adespoton@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 weeks ago

It’s the politicians who are striving for a classroom where not everyone is equal.

Although, teachers probably consider themselves more equal than their students.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 weeks ago

It is ideological...

That is what school is in part

[-] blarth@thelemmy.club 1 points 2 weeks ago

How does the “all lives matter” crowd feel about this?

[-] Zacryon@feddit.org 1 points 2 weeks ago

Every political party and opinion is ideological. That's the very definition of the word. Using it as something pejorative is stupid.

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[-] gurnu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Ban rightwingers from living & breathing. Only way to get a better world for people with compassion

[-] Fletcher@lemmy.today 1 points 2 weeks ago

My list of reasons to never visit Idaho just keeps getting longer and longer.

[-] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Kind of telling on themselves here, right? If "everyone is welcome" is an "ideology", kinda indicates the person labeling as such is against it. I say this because the societal norms on paper for every major philosophy or ideology would be in favor of that idea, and if it strikes you as staking a claim to something new, it probably took some mental effort to get to that conclusion. Would "be kind" be ideology? Technically yes I guess it is, but I doubt these people would be pissed about it and call it out like this. Are they asking for those cat posters saying "hang in there" to be taken down? That's preaching the "ideology" of persistence.

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 weeks ago

They don't want 'everyone' ... they just want 'white christian people of european descent'

When you are a brown person, the messaging from these asshats is always the same racist bullshit we've heard for hundreds of years

[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

no italians either. or fat chicks.

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

The Italians, and to a lesser extent the Irish, are mostly Catholic, which doesn't really count a Christian, and therefore they don't actually count as white.

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[-] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago

Fine. "Everyone except Evangelical Christians are welcome here."

[-] chaogomu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

I'd phrase it differently. "Bigots not welcome, Everyone else has a home here."

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