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So this has been annoying me lately; drivers leaving excessive spacing when stopped for a red light. I get it, you don't want to be right on the next guys bumper, you should leave space to escape if the guy in front stalls or somebody tries to carjack you. But 2-3 car lengths? It really bugs me when they do it in a left turn lane causing a back up to the travel lane resulting in overall congestion. Or, if they're first at the light, they don't pull up far enough to reach the road sensors that trigger a light change. I haven't been able to isolate to a specific demographic, seems to be young, old, black, white, you name it. Maybe they're just stoned at the wheel. I'm tempted to roll down my window and ask 'wtf'? I'm in the Northeast US. Has anybody else witnessed this?

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[-] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 3 weeks ago

I got the advice once to make sure you can see the bottom of the tires in front of you. As a general rule, your turning radius tends to align with that. This falls apart with big trailers and snub nose trucks, but it's a good start.

[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 7 points 3 weeks ago

I think this advice made more sense when the majority drove reasonably-sized vehicles rather than the huge trucks and SUVs that pollute our roads now (at least in North America).

I wouldn't be surprised if this bit of advice contributes to the problem in OP.

[-] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 3 weeks ago

That's likely true. I drive a little car, so it still makes sense for me

[-] Evkob@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks for not participating in the vehicular arms race!

[-] Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 weeks ago

I would bike more for utility if there were places to park it safely (though I would have to add the rack back onto the bike, and it interferes with the tag-along)

[-] reddig33@lemmy.world 10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

You should just be able to see the ground under the back tires of the car in front of you. That’s the appropriate distance.

[-] SinningStromgald@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago

Usually this is the result of distracted driving. At a stop light? Perfect time to check your phone! Once the light turns green I give a solid three count then I honk. I'll probably end up shot dead sooner than later but fuck it and fuck those assholes on their phones.

[-] BussyCat@lemmy.world 4 points 3 weeks ago

I usually flash my high beams first as a more gentle “look up” and then do the horn if they don’t notice that one

[-] isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 weeks ago

In case of armed road rage, remember that your car is a weapon. It's self-defense if a gun is drawn on you.

[-] zorb@piefed.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yup, I see this shit all the time. "The sooner I stop the faster I can stare at my fucking phone!" It's one thing I wish was actually policed, cause these people are a menace. It's one thing to risk your own life, but those dumb asses are making it dangerous for all of us around them. Throw in two or more and baby you've got a stew going.

[-] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

When I took my driving test. The correct spacing was taught as, if you can see their bottom back tires visible above your hood, then that's the correct distance.

[-] frosty@pawb.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

I still hear my driving instructor saying this, 30 years ago. Thanks. :D

[-] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I believe this happens everywhere. I think maybe some people lack correct depth perception or something and maybe they are overcompensating for it? It is highly annoying though, I would agree.

Also: TURN SIGNALS, PEOPLE!!! USE THEM EVERY SINGLE TIME FOR THE LOVE OF GOD. EVEN IF YOU THINK NO ONE IS LOOKING OR YOU’RE IN A TURN ONLY LANE. No excuses

[-] FirstCircle@lemmy.ml 1 points 3 weeks ago

Though, of course, don't use them until you're already halfway through the turn or lane change. It's not like the signal is to show your intention, it's to assert that You Had The Right Goddamn It to have just made that abrupt and dangerous maneuver that you just made. You signaled, so all's OK, you're in the right, no matter what happens.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world -5 points 3 weeks ago

You don't need them in turn only lanes, but otherwise yes, use the damn turn signals.

[-] Lifecoach5000@lemmy.world 7 points 3 weeks ago

I disagree. Mainly for the reason that if pedestrians are around, they might not know the lane your vehicle is in is a turn only. It’s just good etiquette and makes things safer.

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 3 weeks ago

Nice advice to fail a driving test.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world -5 points 3 weeks ago

No it isn't, you're not required by law to use a turn signal in a turn only lane. If I was giving a driving test I'd fail you for using a turn signal in the turn only lane as it demonstrates you don't know the law.

[-] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Wrong.

Minnesota (this is a state in the US) traffic code 169.19 Subd. 5 Signal to turn:

A signal of intention to turn right or left shall be given continuously during not less than the last 100 feet traveled by the vehicle before turning. A person whose vehicle is exiting a roundabout is exempt from this subdivision.

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

I was a Driver Examiner in the Province of Ontario.
You wouldn't fail for this, but it is an infraction.
You must ALWAYS SIGNAL YOUR INTENTION.

Also, cite this 'law' you pulled from your ass.

[-] orclev@lemmy.world -3 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, OK might be a Canadian thing then. There is no law in the US that requires usage of a turn signal in a turn only lane. I didn't pull a law from my ass, you're pulling one from yours, or rather I'm talking about US law and it seems you're talking about Canadian.

[-] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 2 points 3 weeks ago

Wrong.

Minnesota (this is a state in the US) traffic code 169.19 Subd. 5 Signal to turn:

A signal of intention to turn right or left shall be given continuously during not less than the last 100 feet traveled by the vehicle before turning. A person whose vehicle is exiting a roundabout is exempt from this subdivision.

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

It seems you're a shitty driver in every country.

[-] BassTurd@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

There isn't a federal law on turn signal use that I can find and it's left up to the individual states. Every law I looked at said you have to have a continuous signal before the turn and when turning into a different lane. I did not see any exceptions listed anywhere, including turn lanes.

When turning from a turn lane, to a different lane, that is a change of lane and therefore falls under the law. If you have any other evidence to the contrary or happen to live in a state that I didn't check where that is an exception, I and the others here would love if you'd source that. If you can't, then you're just making shit up and should just take the "L".

[-] orclev@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

The only law in my state that requires usage of turn signals states this:

No person may turn a vehicle from a direct course or move right or left upon a highway unless and until such movement can be made with reasonable safety, and then only after giving an appropriate signal in the manner hereinafter provided, in the event any other vehicle may be affected by the movement.

The key there is "direct course". The direct course in a dedicated turn lane is the turn, so no signal is required. If it's a turn or straight lane it is required as in that case the direct course is straight.

[-] thejml@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

A law not saying you need to, is not the same as a law saying you need not to.

[-] slothrop@lemmy.ca 0 points 3 weeks ago
[-] orclev@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago

What law, that's the point, no law requires usage of a turn signal in a turn only lane. There is no law that requires that and a driving test is testing that you're following the laws. It's the same as if you turned on your turn signal in a straight lane and then didn't change lanes.

[-] miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 3 weeks ago

So, is there a law or not, or are you simply full of shit?

[-] orclev@lemmy.world -2 points 3 weeks ago

You can't prove a negative. You cite the law that says you need to use a turn signal in a turn only lane. Or are you full of shit?

[-] LilB0kChoy@midwest.social 1 points 3 weeks ago

Minnesota (this is a state in the US) traffic code 169.19 Subd. 5 Signal to turn:

 A signal of intention to turn right or left shall be given continuously during not less than the last 100 feet traveled by the vehicle before turning. A person whose vehicle is exiting a roundabout is exempt from this subdivision.

You've been wrong every time you've said you don't need to signal.

[-] Diddlydee@feddit.uk 2 points 3 weeks ago

Are 'road sensors that trigger a light change' a real thing? I thought lights are on a timed cycle.

[-] Peter_Arbeitsloser@feddit.org 6 points 3 weeks ago

There sometimes are induction loops under the street for this purpose: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_loop

[-] kinttach@lemmy.zip 2 points 3 weeks ago

Video, radar, and infrared are also common. In some places I’ve been, only older non-upgraded intersections have induction loops.

[-] XM34@feddit.org 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

In Germany almost every traffic light has them nowadays. It can sometimes be annoying when you're riding a bike made of carbon. But usually my phone and laptop seem to be enough to trigger them.

[-] masta_chief@sh.itjust.works 1 points 3 weeks ago

Add a magnet! Maybe idk if this works for sure or not

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Enough that you can maneuver out of the lane in an emergency.

[-] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 weeks ago

The correct answer

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

On the other hand I had a guy get out of his Jaguar the other day and yell at me a while because I stopped too close to his bumper.

[-] toomanypancakes@lemmy.world 0 points 3 weeks ago

I'd just be like "my bad dude" and pull a little bit closer after that. What a weenie.

[-] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 1 points 3 weeks ago

I turned up my music and ignored him because historically nothing good happens when someone gets out of their car in traffic and you bet your sweet ass I made sure our bumpers were almost touching next red light.

[-] some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 0 points 3 weeks ago

There’s a light where there is a green right turn arrow. MFs will sit there and not turn when the light is red. No signage says not to turn on red, the rule is the same as any other light. I honk loudly and go around them (admittedly causing a traffic infraction to do so). My point is that some of the people we allow to drive are too stupid for the privilege.

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