I saw this from the moment BlueSky was trying to advertise itself as Twitter 2. Single point of ownership means it will definitely come to be locked down over time because server cost and administration will always be a problem.
well yeah.. twitter 2?
The company is a company just like the company used to fund Activitypub and Mastodon development.
The protocol is still federated. Content addressing even makes mirrors more reliable!
(besides the current DM implementation, when encrypted messaging is ready it's meant to get federated too)
Also, reminder that this is a UK law applying to all social websites there, even your average Lemmy instance. You could get blocked if you don't comply.
Applies only to the UK, which is requiring it for apps that host adult content: https://www.theverge.com/news/704468/bluesky-age-verification-uk-online-safety-act
From your helpful link:
"If users don’t want to verify their age, or if they’re under 18, they will still be able to have an account with certain features limited. Bluesky will block “adult-appropriate content” and turn off certain features, such as direct messaging."
So you can still use Bluesky without age/identity verification, including being able to post.
Yeah, I get pushing for Mastodon over Bluesky, but Bluesky is being forced to do this by the UK government for UK citizens so this is just exaggerated rage bait.
Rage bait, or a line being drawn? The excuse that it's just for certain type content, only some features will be limited, etc. sounds like "it's just a little bit of Orwell, why you so mad bro?" Let the free market sort it out, if most people are fine with limitations (and future additions to those) then so be it. There are alternatives right now, so make a choice.
The UK government is forcing them and all other web services to do the same. UK-hosted Mastodon servers may coast under the radar for awhile, but they'll come for them eventually.
Rather than getting mad at Bluesky for implementing government-mandated age verification, how about actually getting mad at the UK government?
How about both? And while doing so, use applications that aren't yet subjected to those rules.
Why do you think Mastodon is exempt from those rules? The law applies to all sites/services with a significant UK audience - some of the Mastodon .uk instances will definitely be subject to this, and because of how badly the law is written, it can apply to many more.
People can have their hardon for hating Bluesky, but they're literally just trying to avoid being fined by the UK govt here - this wasn't their idea.
Mastodon might not be legally exempt, but depending on how much effort the UK government puts into enforcing this, large swaths of it might be functionally so. Most instances presumably arent hosted in the UK, and while some of those outside that country might block traffic there or be big enough for the UK government to order ISPs there to block them for noncompliance, theres a decent chance that some smaller, foreign run instances might simply ignore whatever the UK is doing, and if a UK user signs up to one of these, or uses a VPN to use one that does block the UK, and can still get the content from the rest of the network due to federation anyway, then the platform as a whole could potentially get away with ignoring those rules in a way that a single large site couldnt.
Mad at your government, but still leave Bluesky, just don't leave angry.
Also, it's just a matter of time for other governments to do the same. They're already working on it in the U.S.
It’s absolutely Orwellian, and people should be angry at the UK for forcing this onto any website their citizens access.
But there won't be alternatives for long cause you're placing the blame on the whip and not the person cracking it.
A) I'm just commenting on it being labeled as rage bait and not a call for action(s)
B) Absolutely go after the root cause as well as find alternatives
C) There are always alternatives
which is requiring it for apps
The simple solution is not making everything a fucking app...
It's always hilarious to watch people act like they care about security and privacy but download 27 different apps instead of just using a web interface...
It's like the iPad generation can't figure out a bookmark list
I said apps but I probably should have said websites and apps, because websites aren’t exempt. I hear you on how frustrating it is when they’re making everything an app, though.
In the Fediverse, nobody knows you're a dog. Arf arf
Hey! This here is cat territory. You just walked into a world of hurt, pardner.
Fediverse wins once again :3
I mean, firstly, this appears to only affect UK users (atm). And secondly
Users who don't verify their age will have certain content and features, like direct messages, restricted
So, features I don't use or want, for the time being. Which will be a problem when I run into it, I guess. As it stands, BlueSky remains the least worst option. When that changes, I'll change with it.
But muh bait-posting!
Muh outrage!
I mean, its still a shit policy and it makes BlueSky worse.
Just not bad enough to do another platform migration, particularly to a platform nobody I know actually uses.
Generally, enough to be always, the "protect the children" argument is used by the worst warmongering authoritarian neocons to ensure enslavement.
I would not surprise me if eventualy Mastodon will have to do the same especially the Mastodon servers located in the EU and UK.
We'll see how well bluesky's decentralization works now :p
Pretty sure deer.social will keep working, etc
Yeah! Privacy only for the amusing! 😜
lady posted this without any tags. how is she supposed to rub someone's nose in it if no nose can find it?
~~As long as you're funny~~ As long as you add alt tags
The mastodon police will get you quickly if you don't
I have never understood why people have ever thought or said that bluesky is better than reddit, or decentralized, or somehow not going to be abused as the company takes a very large amount of VC funds.
Pretty sure this is about the new EU legislation afftecting anything from porn sites, through nexusmods, and apparently even shit like bsky.
Not EU, UK. The EU, for now, does not require age verification. They are currently working on a system where your age can be verified using a secure token where Bsky would not get any more info than "this person is over 18", at which point, they will most likely mandate its use.
And how would one obtain such a token?
Your ID and associated government software.
The government will know who you are, but not what you are requesting the token for. The site will know what the token is for, but will not know who is presenting it.
Imagine it like buying an old fashioned paper bus ticket, in places where tickets are anonymous and interchangeable. The ticket vending machine will get your card info, but will not know what you'll do with the ticket. Maybe you'll board a bus, maybe you'll trade it to a vagrant for a blowie. The ticket machine won't judge or connect the blowie to your payment info.
Then the vagrant or the bus driver will not get your card payment info either, they'll only get the ticket, which you could have gotten anywhere, including by blowing someone for it. The bus ticket is the token, it only confirms payment, not identity.
The government will know who you are, but not what you are requesting the token for.
Unfortunately, things don’t work like that. There are a nearly infinite number of ways for the identity provider to figure that out.
The site will know what the token is for, but will not know who is presenting it.
Same as above.
Wherever you go, whatever you do, there are many entities already tracking you that know precisely who you are and what you are doing. All such legislation would do is add governments to the list. There is no safe or anonymous version version of an identity provider.
There are a nearly infinite number of ways for the identity provider to figure that out.
Name one.
What is there to stop the government from later issuing a request to the service owner/operator, by court order, for a list of those verified and the tokens used to verify them (thus linking the accounts and their data to the individuals and their identities)?
The same thing that stops them from doing the same thing right now to the ISP.
BTW the government will not have the tokens, they will be created on your device, in an auditable way, using OSS.
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