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Having fucked up social discourse with Twitter and then Bluesky, Jack Dorsey claims he has seen the error of his ways, and definitely won't do it a third time with his new nonprofit aimed at helping developers build and deploy (OSS or commercial) social media tech built on the Nostr platform (with AI!). Yeesh, I might be biased. Maybe I shouldn't be writing these summaries.

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[-] glibg@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 week ago

Mel Gibson-looking ass

[-] ileftreddit@piefed.social 7 points 1 week ago

At a certain point, people stop telling you “no” and then you end up with a gold nose ring and hippie beard. Dorsey probably hasn’t heard a “no” since 2006

[-] fushuan@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

If you tell that that's a hippie beard in my local metal bar... You might be politely corrected because we are awesome.

Also, punks and metalheads get beards and rings too.

[-] ileftreddit@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago

Yes they do but ‘ol Jackie boy looks neither punk nor metal in this photo. He looks like a douchebag

[-] moseschrute@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Me reading this with a gold nose ring 😅

[-] knightly@pawb.social 0 points 1 week ago

Me reading this with a hippie beard.

[-] UnknownSoul@programming.dev 1 points 1 week ago

Me reading this not having heard a "no" since 2006.

[-] iopq@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Like it or not, Nostr is the only one that doesn't tie my identity to a server. I've lost several Lemmy accounts during the Reddit migration and I've had to subscribe to new instances all over again. Once it's down, really hard to migrate anything

[-] kevincox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 week ago

This is the advantage of decentralization over federation. IMHO the fact that Lemmy is only federated really hurts it. Not so much for user accounts (in theory these can be backed up restored and moved. Not ideal but not awful) but in that communities are tied to servers. When the server a community is on goes away it is hugely damaging to that community.

[-] sk@utsukta.org 2 points 1 week ago

Hubzilla has successfully implemented portable identities for a number of years and i am surprised how its unheard of. Coupled with magic sign-on it has some of the craziest features that are much needed in the broader fediverse.

[-] danielsan256@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

There's also Polycentric from the FUTO peeps.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Jack Dorsey should just fucking stop.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Why is he so hated here? Twitter model is one thing that is kinda fit for global-open-decentralized approaches without much difference for the user. I could never use it, but plenty of people do and seem to have a feeling of hivemind over it.

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Because the tech he makes is inherently terrible and despite being used in a positive way it is still centralized and ripe for misuse by people like Musk. On top of that the long term feasibility is based on advertising potential to get the funding.

He says positive stuff most of the time but his actions are the opposite. Blusky is supposed to be decentralized, but the structure as it exists requires it to actually be centralized when implemented. Plus his most recent 'secure' thing wasn't even tested for security issues because he is a hype man who constantly lies.

[-] ag10n@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Figure head syndrome. Literally a man with money, otherwise completely unremarkable

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Is "better than Zuck" a valid argument?

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not really, I have stepped in dogshit was better than Zuck.

[-] RagingSnarkasm@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

Dear Jack:

Please go back to playing with Square and leave the rest of us the fuck alone.

Thanks.

I feel like nonprofit should come with default quotations nowadays. At this point it's just a way to avoid taxation during development until you have a feasible route to profitability.

[-] acosmichippo@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

don't you avoid taxes anyway if you're not profitable?

Nah, you still end up paying state and local taxes. Income/revenue is different than profit.

Plus, being a non profit allows for people like Jack to utilize donations as tax deductions.

[-] themurphy@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

We need stronger rules for non profits then.

[-] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 week ago

What are the differences between Nostr, AT Protocol and ActivityPub?

[-] artifex@piefed.social 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I think the main one is that Nostr is supposed to be really simple, and derive some security/privacy from that simplicity. Whereas ATProto and ActivityPub store and forward content so that each rely has a copy, on Nostr nodes the messages are all ephemeral. So it has something of a following with crypto bros and privacy enthusiasts. With nostr IDs are also based on public/private keys unlike ATProto/ActivityPub that use a username@instancename scheme, so signing and identifying content that belongs to a user is easier and more guaranteed to be correct, and your username isn't tied to any specific server "instance"

[-] Ulrich@feddit.org 0 points 1 week ago

That's more complicated than a short comment can summarize

[-] danielsan256@feddit.org -2 points 1 week ago

LLM answer ok?

Nostr, ActivityPub, and the AT Protocol (used by Bluesky) are all decentralized social media protocols, but they differ significantly in their architecture, approach to data storage, and user experience. Nostr focuses on user-led social media with a simple, flexible protocol centered around relays, while ActivityPub powers the Fediverse with federated instances and a more complex structure. The AT Protocol, used by Bluesky, prioritizes account portability and a more structured data model. [1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8]
Here's a more detailed breakdown:

  1. Nostr:

• Focus: User-led social media with a focus on decentralization, user control, and censorship resistance. [1, 2]
• Architecture: Relays (servers) handle communication and data relaying. Users connect to multiple relays, and there are no instances in the traditional sense. [9, 10]
• Data Storage: Data is stored across multiple relays, and users can choose which relays to interact with. [9, 10]
• User Experience: Emphasizes simplicity, flexibility, and user autonomy in content and moderation. [2]
• Strengths: Decentralized, censorship-resistant, and adaptable to various use cases. [2, 10]
• Weaknesses: Smaller network compared to ActivityPub and AT Protocol. [7, 10]

  1. ActivityPub:

• Focus: Federated social networking, enabling communication between different instances (servers). [1, 1, 11, 11]
• Architecture: Relies on a network of independently run servers (instances) that federate (exchange data) with each other. [1, 1, 11, 11]
• Data Storage: Each instance stores its own data. [3, 3]
• User Experience: Mimics traditional social media platforms with features like following, liking, and commenting. [11, 11, 12, 12]
• Strengths: Established ecosystem with a large number of users and diverse applications (Mastodon, PeerTube, etc.). [1, 1, 13, 13]
• Weaknesses: Can be more complex than Nostr due to the federated structure, and moderation can vary between instances. [2, 2, 3, 3, 14]

  1. AT Protocol (Bluesky):

• Focus: Account portability and a structured data model. [3, 3, 4, 4, 15]
• Architecture: Uses a layered approach with a data layer (hosted by Bluesky) and a protocol for interacting with that data. [3, 3, 4, 4]
• Data Storage: User data is stored in signed data repositories. [4, 4]
• User Experience: Designed for a more modern and potentially smoother user experience. [3, 3, 4, 4, 16]
• Strengths: Prioritizes account portability and aims for a better user experience. [3, 3, 6, 6]
• Weaknesses: Currently relies on Bluesky for its data layer, raising concerns about centralization. [3, 3]

In essence:

ActivityPub

is a mature protocol powering a vast network of federated servers with a wide range of applications.

Nostr

is a simpler, more user-centric protocol focused on decentralization and user control.

AT Protocol

prioritizes account portability and a modern user experience, but is currently more centralized due to its data layer dependence. [2, 3, 3, 5, 6, 6, 7, 17]

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

I also have access to an internet

[-] drspod@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago
[-] atticus88th@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I'm out of the loop, what went wrong with Bluesky?

[-] Dekkia@this.doesnotcut.it 2 points 1 week ago

He doesn't like it because it's the same as twitter according to him.

Journalists don't like it because they get called out on bullshit there.

[-] majster@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

It's so "decentralized" that political activists from authoritarian countries get deplatformed on request of the government.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

I'm not sure he's the one who fucked it up.

140 symbols and the whole atmosphere I don't like, but I have my own fair set of disorders.

Hashtags are honestly a good idea, just like a social system organized around them.

Except I probably would prefer that to be similar to modernized Usenet. Actually going to pressure my family members to install Briar, want to start using it, and apparently it has such a functionality. Not sure yet. Anyway, the framework under it (right now Briar itself is the only application, but authors have ambitions) definitely would support such a thing. Maybe I'll finally have an incentive to learn Android development.

[-] artifex@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

I kinda agree Twitter was born of a more innocent age, and he was just a tech kid with a good enough pitch to get Silicon Valley VC. The problem is that he did little to rein in powers that were purposely using the platform for social manipulation. Then -- when he already knew better -- he went and started Bluesky, which he specifically said was going to counteract all of Twitter's deficiencies, but capitalism got the better of him, so to make the platform attractive to VCs, advertisers, whatever, his team started to ditch what made Bluesky unique in favor of business tools to help it make money. Business is gonna business, it's not 100% his fault, but I can't imagine what will change a 3rd time around.

[-] rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Well, that Bitchat thing of his may (after, eh, fixing a lot of it) turn to be not so bad.

Though I went to the Briar site, and apparently it's not just Briar, but also a framework for virtually everything communications-wise offline-enabled.

[-] triptrapper@lemmy.world 1 points 1 week ago

Looks like he and Zuck have the same stylist. Anyone know what this look is called, with the oversized tee and chain around his neck?

[-] vhstape@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago

The word you’re looking for is douchebag

[-] spankmonkey@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago
[-] triptrapper@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

But techbro 10 years ago was an undercut and a leather jacket. I'm hoping there's a label for this iteration.

[-] cecilkorik@piefed.ca 2 points 1 week ago

Those were the web-techbros. Then came the crypto-techbros, now we have AI-techbros. Very different styles, as you can see.

[-] ozoned@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Techno King Asshole. TKA for short.

[-] Philamand@jlai.lu 1 points 1 week ago

Thank you for the article, it was an interesting read. I don't think he'll make anything better than Mastodon or even Bluesky so I won't try Nostr, but I'll keep an eye on it. It may be interesting to follow.

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