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submitted 1 week ago by lousyd@lemmy.sdf.org to c/linux@lemmy.ml

In bash, if you put:

ls /Users/*/.ssh/id_rsa 2>&1 > rsa-keys.log

...you're redirecting stderr to the stdout's destination while stdout is still sending output to the screen. So any permission errors encountered will go to the screen, not to rsa-keys.log.

From the bash manpage:

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Note that the order of redirections is significant. For example, the command

   ls > dirlist 2>&1

directs both standard output and standard error to the file dirlist, while the command

   ls 2>&1 > dirlist

directs only the standard output to file dirlist, because the standard error was duplicated from the standard output before the standard output was redirected to dirlist.

==================

Commands given to the shell are evaluated and processed in a specific order and fashion, and this is one quirk of that that many people are unaware of.

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[-] racketlauncher831@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

As true as this can be, it's counterintuitive.

[-] AndrasKrigare@beehaw.org 2 points 1 week ago

What would be more intuitive? It seems to me to be a

a=1 b=a a=2

Where you'd expect b to be 1, which is the case for bash.

[-] exu@feditown.com 7 points 1 week ago

I never use more than one redirection to keep it simple. Stuff gets even weirder when you also use < in the same lines

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

envsubst is a exception.

[-] INeedMana@piefed.zip 3 points 1 week ago

IMO |& tee dirlist is easier to manage

[-] lousyd@lemmy.sdf.org 4 points 1 week ago

Your way would spawn a whole extra process, but if you're running Bash commands I suppose that doesn't often matter.

[-] INeedMana@piefed.zip 1 points 1 week ago

For 2>&1 to work don't we need to be using some shell anyway?

[-] lousyd@lemmy.sdf.org 2 points 1 week ago

Yeah. The shell, plus whatever command (or commands) you tell the shell to run.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago
[-] INeedMana@piefed.zip 1 points 1 week ago

https://www.man7.org/linux/man-pages/man1/bash.1.html

Pipelines A pipeline is a sequence of one or more commands separated by one of the control operators | or |&. The format for a pipeline is:

[time [-p]] [ ! ] command1 [ [|⎪|&] command2 ... ]

(...) If |& is used, command1's standard error, in addition to its standard output, is connected to command2's standard input through the pipe; it is shorthand for 2>&1 |. This implicit redirection of the standard error to the standard output is performed after any redirections specified by command1.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So it is a bash thing.

Just to be clear, because some seem to conflate Bash with Shell. If not specified, assume POSIX shell, that's how /bin/sh is handled as well. And that has no |&.

[-] INeedMana@piefed.zip 1 points 1 week ago

True

But nowadays /bin/sh is often just a link to bash

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Which puts Bash in POSIX compliance mode.

[-] INeedMana@piefed.zip 2 points 1 week ago
$ sh
sh-5.2$ echo dfgsdfgfd |& tee /tmp/t
dfgsdfgfd
sh-5.2$ cat /tmp/t
dfgsdfgfd
sh-5.2$

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

What distro uses /Users instead of /home? Doesn't that break the standard?

[-] samc@feddit.uk 9 points 1 week ago
[-] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

I used macs for 15 years I really should have known that lol.

[-] lousyd@lemmy.sdf.org 1 points 1 week ago
[-] korbel@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

In bash if you want to redirect both stderr and stdout to file you can use &>filename.

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