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[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 59 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Need to petition Visa, MasterCard, PayPal, and American Express. I don't think trying to get Valve to reverse these recent changes will necessarily be effective, since they are being pressured by the payment processors and they definitely aren't going to risk not being able to effectively do business at all.

[-] Aussieiuszko@aussie.zone 38 points 1 week ago

Yeah, nah.

Petition these people:

https://www.collectiveshout.org/partners

Collective Shout is sustained by a small number of Australian partners. These are not big groups, and would quickly pull funding under any sort of pressure.

Collective Shout has a deep history with Christofascism and TERFs, so highlighting those angles is the way to go to get them pariahed. Once CS is out of the picture, we can work on undoing the damage they did.

[-] artyom@piefed.social 19 points 1 week ago

Petitioning people to do something that is against their entire purpose doesn't seem like it would be effective.

[-] TexasDrunk@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago

Not only that, they'll get louder claiming they're being oppressed. Ignore them.

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[-] DocMcStuffin@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

Archived page: https://archive.ph/Ttyr5

Just in case.

[-] seralth@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

It's the height of stupidity to try to pressure collective shout.

You don't tell the child to stop drawing on the wall for the 20th time and expect it to work.

You take it's crayons away so it can't anymore.

You fix the tool of abuse so it can't be abused.

[-] hikaru755@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I think the idea is to pressure the partners of Collective Shout, per the url in the comment. Those might not necessarily agree with what they're doing in this case, and if they see it's making waves, reconsider their partnership.

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[-] dan@upvote.au 23 points 1 week ago

The petition is directed at Visa and MasterCard. I'm not sure why the article says it's a petition directed at Steam, because it's not.

[-] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

i would expect the multi billionaire owners of the largest gaming platform on PC to have the ability to not fold like paper mache. I can also be mad at payment processors and valve at the same time

[-] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 1 week ago

Kinda hard to stay at the top if you literally get blacklisted from doing financial transactions. Big as they are, they're nowhere near the same level as the payment processors.

[-] seralth@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

Valve is basically a small business one bad Monday from going bankrupt compares to payment processors.

Banks and payment processors are the single largest most powerful forces in a capitalist market.

You literally do NOT get bigger. Full stop.

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[-] Grass@sh.itjust.works 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I wish it was feasible to hve a large scale boycott of visa and mastercard. american express is already useless so it wouldn't help much to include it...

[-] defaultusername@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Or a decentralized alternative that isn't just used to scam people, that doesn't eat up insane amounts of electricity to process, and is as convenient as regular money.

In reality, private corporations should not have control over money at all. Money is printed by the local government and should be controlled by the local government. Governments generally have better free speech protections than private corporations, which have none. Obviously, free speech protections are not universal, but countries can already ban content in other ways.

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[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 21 points 1 week ago
[-] Cyv_@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 1 week ago

Signed, thanks for the link <3

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 week ago

Make your own payment processor, Gaben. It's the way.

Then people would have to get specific cards or crypto or whatever that aren't Visa/MasterCard in order to buy Steam games. That, of course, is if you can get banks to agree to carry "Steam cards". Either that, or everyone would need to buy Steam gift cards as an exclusive form of payment.

All of these are much less convenient than keeping your existing debit/credit card to pay for Steam games, and less convenience means less sales.

[-] LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago

Or you could just transfer funds to a steam card, then with that, but all you want.

[-] sep@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

Steam does not have to only accept steampay. Tho? You fear visa and mastercard will blaclist steam?

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

Steam removed games because visa and mastercard threatened to blaclist it, so yeah. That's the whole point.

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Is that kinda what PayPal is, or was intended to be?

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 7 points 1 week ago

Yeah but PayPal's awful. They literally arbitrarily deny you access to your own funds. At least the banks have rules.

If someone wants to pay me something they can use it literally anything other than PayPal. I don't trust them they've stolen money from me before.

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[-] Truscape@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 points 1 week ago

"Hi there, would you like to sign the petition?"

[-] MITM0@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago

But we have to oppose CollectiveShout as well, as in destroy them. They're way worse than I thought

[-] SpaceScotsman@startrek.website 6 points 1 week ago

The article is saying the petition is targeting steam, but the actual linked petition is addressing credit card companies. The text of the petition doesn't mention steam or valve. I don't know what the author of the article thinks is happening here, and they've explained it very badly.

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[-] flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Petitions like this are meaningless unless they come with a viable solution to the duopoly in payment processing that is Visa and Mastercard.

It doesn't matter what Valve agrees with, if they want to survive as a business they have to ultimately do what the only 2 companies that handle the payment processing tells them to do.

[-] Empricorn@feddit.nl 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

You're missing the point. This is not aimed at Valve, but at Visa and MasterCard. They are businesses. They primarily care about profit, not censorship. Especially when that pisses people off. They made the mistake of listening to the vocal minority of Collective Shout, so we have to let them know that. This isn't the 80's anymore, gaming is mainstream and there are far, far more gamers than puritanical Quakers that get the vapors at the sight of anything mature or complicated. And worst-case scenario, they are not the only payment processors, just the most convenient ones for customers and businesses. For now...

[-] Gladaed@feddit.org 4 points 1 week ago

Are you calling them Quakers as a derogatory slur or are they actually Quakers/Religious Society of Friends people.

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[-] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 week ago

Valve is a big enough company that they could conceivably start their own payment provider to bypass this.

[-] Landless2029@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago

For example they could sell adult games under credits only and take CC or PayPal for credits.

This way you're not buying adult titles with CC at all. Same way AAA deal with gambling with lootboxes.

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[-] Vinstaal0@feddit.nl 4 points 1 week ago

Everybody needs to also stop using Mastercard/Visa/Paypal.

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[-] heyWhatsay@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 week ago

So, I wanted to see if I could find a list of games that were removed. I found this https://steam-tracker.com/ which is not specific to this event, but useful to keep track.

[-] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 week ago

We knew in the aughts that this was going to be an issue when the charging companies defunded Wikileaks and Julian Assange¹ and were allowed to do so, defying public accommodations laws.

1. Yes, Assange is a git and a Russian asset (or at least has been before) but he did serve as a whistleblower against evil shit done by Bush and Obama administrations and the general aristocratic corruption at play in US federal politics. As with Chelsea Manning, he embarrassed politicians using their positions of power inappropriately, revealing that the state was not serving the public. Incidentally, ACLU in its early years was funded by USSR to cause trouble against the US state (which it was doing anyway and still does), which makes it historically (and debatably) a Soviet asset. Strange bedfellows and all that.

This is a tale that keeps repeating itself, and is why protections by the fourth, fifth, and sixth amendments of the Constitution of the United States have been carved out like a holiday turkey by the US Supreme Court. We found it easy to deny unreasonable search and seizure protections from major crimes suspects, only to find that every black citizen with a gram of cannabis now no longer has those protections.

So it is with monopolies that decide they can be selective with their accommodations.

If we can't pressure the transaction services to obey public accommodation rules since they have monopolistic power, it may be time to circumvent the issue, and support black market tactics ( Archie comic and bag of sawdust, $20, comes with free incest porn! )

These days, when discussing the usenet alt.* heirarchy, its acronym ( Anarchists, Lunatics, and Terrorists ) is now considered a backronym, a joke. I was there, and it belied a serious point: The worst of us deserve free speech, as per Larry Flynt, knowing that Hustler magazine is legally published in all its (raunchy) glory means that whatever you're releasing to the public is safe from moral guardians and critics because they have worse stuff to shout at.

But we're in an era of book burning, which means those would-be moral guardians are emboldened to try to reshape society in their image, in contrast to the principles of liberty and free thought. And soon ICE will expand its POI list to include liberals and wrongthinkers.

It may be time for bricks in windows and direct action against high-ranking company officials, but such behaviors carry high risks of consequences. So be careful and thorough.

In the meantime, write petitions of your grievances and sign those others have written. And remind them at this moment the public presumes petitioning them for redress of grievances will be acknowledged and acted upon. And if that turns out not to be the case, the outraged public will not simply disappear and keep to its place.

[-] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago
[-] PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago

*Develops an open online payment system that isn't a scam.

[-] thatradomguy@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

We want our pron and we want it now!

[-] Iceman@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

What is a gooner that cannot goon? This is murder.

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