Didn't know we were waiting for confirmation on that. Didn't they post a report back in December that Israel had intel and did nothing?
Fucking monsters.
Exactly, the whole thing was just a convinient excuse to exterminate Palestinians, it was never about defending Israel
Yes. First time I heard it was still in October 23 in a fucking tiktok clip. Same with most of the other atrocities. The media reports on it now not because they've learned these things only now but because they have become impossible to ignore/deny.
There's a string of not-even-hidden evidence going back many years: Netanyahu's government actively conspired to destroy Gaza, Palestine etc. by all means, incl. killing their own soldiers and civilians, incl. even supporting Hamas.
Very well documented is the fact that in the 1980s, Israel supported Hamas to undermine the PLO, because the PLO wanted a two-state solution and Hamas and Israel did not. Hamas has long provided Israel with the excuse to keep escalating.
Shitrit said during his testimony that at 5.20am on 7 October:
We were playing on the phone and suddenly a strange message came up from my deputy commander, .. and what he says on the radio is something like this: ‘I don’t know why, but an order was given that there would be no patrols in the (Gaza) fence until 9am
And sure enough, an hour later, at 6.30am, suddenly sirens.
The evidence has been mounting for years, and even this specific revelation just confirms what was known since 2024. Yes, the current Israeli regime absolutely has a master plan for killing all Palestinians and taking over their territories, and yes, this plan absolutely includes manipulating public opinion globally - in other words, lying about it. It also includes supporting Hamas.
They discuss all this relatively openly in knesset.
Anyhow, here's a lengthy quote from the article. There are links in it which didn't copy over, so please click on the article and further links.
This is not the first article of this kind btw, and many come straight from Israeli more-or-less-mainstream outlets.
this testimony from an on-duty IDF soldier sits next to a wealth of documented evidence Israel knew of the attack well ahead of time. Reporting on this, US independent outlet The Young Turks pointed to a number of these. One was a New York Times article from November 2023 detailing how Israeli officials had:
obtained Hamas’s battle plan for the Oct. 7 terrorist attack more than a year before it happened
It also highlighted an article by Israeli news site Haaretz from June 2024 which buttressed this further. It confirmed that the Israeli intelligence had “detailed knowledge of Hamas’s plan”. The same outlet has underscored IDF command ignoring intel from women soldiers patrolling at the border, warning of an impending attack.
Moreover, Israel deliberately deploying its Hannibal Directive makes the soldier’s testimony all the more believable as well. This Israeli military policy prefers the murder of its own soldiers, over them becoming hostages. Numerous Israeli press reports and revelations from Israeli military officials revealed a “mass Hannibal” order that directed the slaughter of civilians Hamas took captive.
Israel’s then defense minister Yoav Gallant later admitted that the government implemented the Hannibal Directive on 7 October.
In other words, Israel was fully prepared to murder its own citizens.
And they're clever enough to leave their supporters with one final argument, even if they find out about these very real conspiracies: Hamas still actively perpetrated the attack.
In other words, Israel was fully prepared to murder its own citizens.
100%
What gets me every time is how people who team up with fascists think they aren't going to turn on them too. It was always about the 0.01%, nobody else. And it seems they are winning.
I'd say he would kill himself with 5 bullets on the back on the head, but it's not like Israelis aren't proud of what's happening.
Israel will just shoot you in the face and tell the media you were an "anti-Semite"
Israel will just shoot you in the face and tell the media you were an "~~anti-Semite~~" Hamas
FTFY
Yes, even more distressing than Israel perpetrating a genocide is that almost the entire population is enthusiastic about it.
That's actually not true, at least not anymore.
Anyway, if we're not blaming Palestinians for electing Hamas, we shouldn't be blaming Jews for electing Netanyahu.
Political propaganda is real problem for everyone, and those who know better need to be morally consistent role models for the rest, or we're doomed to repeat history over and over.
When was the last election in Gaza again?
I find it much easier to accept that Israeli intelligence dropped the ball than they orchestrated or even tolerated the attack.
The facts about operation Hannibal, collective punishment, starvation, and war crimes is complete and morally damning without imagining that right-wing Israeli atrocity-profiteers are Palpatine level manipulators instead.
I tend to believe both. These people have shown us there's no level of evil to which they will not sink when they think it will benefit them.
Palpatine level manipulators
idk, i don’t think it’s that deep either but netanyahu was looking like he was going to be in some deep shit, and then october 7th happened and quite suddenly there’s a bigger issue for people
i don’t think it was planned and manipulated exactly, but it sure was a convenient distraction, and i think when you (and i of course mean you in the non-personal sense) start to think of a “plan” then all sorts of “yes and” “benefits” start to crop up
i wouldn’t be at all surprised if it was a convenient distraction that morphed into the horrific “seize it all” genocidal zionist end game that it’s become over the course of less than a month
They absolutely did let it happen on purpose. We had information that pointed to this conclusion within weeks of the attack.
Egypt told Israel that Hamas was planning something.
You can walk to the closest military base faster than the IDF reacted to Hamas' operation.
Nova survivors are sueing the security forces in presence: a single phone call could've saved hundred of lives.
The list goes on and on, this is absolutely a case of "let it happen on purpose".
I'm only skeptical because I would really love to believe this.
That is the best first response, these days.
This is maga level conspiracy. We need some source standards on this community.
We knew a few weeks after the attack that over a dozen intelligence agencies told them it would happen, and they chose to lower their defenses instead of prepare.
Sensationalism, easy peasy finger pointing b/c this, that or whatever. Not picking sides. Just being pickier about journalism & all the sources. It is way more complex than the common dimwit (that common dimwit is me btw) can truly comprehend. The level of when, who & why. Yeah, that’s messed up. But what is truly messed up is our senses are being offended & it is just too much for some to think about. I guess this is why garbage journalism goes right along according to the wretched script.
Be aware that the claim that they let this happen on purpose in this article is mainly based on the fact that patrols were cancelled.
According to The Dissident, Shitrit said during his testimony that at 5.20am on 7 October:
We were playing on the phone and suddenly a strange message came up from my deputy commander, .. and what he says on the radio is something like this: ‘I don’t know why, but an order was given that there would be no patrols in the (Gaza) fence until 9am
And sure enough, an hour later, at 6.30am, suddenly sirens.
I don't feel this is as conclusive as they present it to be.
If they normally do these patrols EVERY morning, as the testimony claims, ot's EXTREMELY suspicious, and the evidence to counter it needs to be equally-extremely convincing.
It certainly isn't conclusive. But I'd say it warrants further investigation. Something that is unlikely to happen.
And ultimately doesn’t matter, nothing would change even if it came out Hamas doesn’t exist and it’s just a play by the IDF
It was always the most plausible option. Narratives come before massacres, and you need something real to incite the people. 9/11 was just two decades ago, lol.
"You need a radical insurgency you can count on. You need ~~Ghorman~~ Hamas rebels you can count on to do the wrong thing.”
A tale as old as time . . .
22 months of relentless Israeli bombardment the scale of seven Hiroshima bombs
Fascinating comparison. The Hiroshima bomb killed about 1/4 of population instantly, and about 1/3 in a year's time. 7 hiroshimas (if distributed evenly) in Gaza would probably wipe out like 9/10 of the population in minutes and make the remaining living envy the dead.
Not. Surprised. In the least.
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